15 british navy PERSONNEL captured

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Geggy

You're right, they're not technically the us government but many of the members of PNAC have jobs or, at least used to, with the US government which was one of the reasons it made it easier for PNAC to implement their plans to overthrow undesired soveriegnity governments, including Iraq and Iran, and install those who would comply with their plans to provide security and stability, to militarize space, and to form one world governemnt.

Which page is that in the document? Could you point it out to me? Thanks.

You can't deny the group has heavy influence on US's policy decision making.

Uhh, yeah, I can do it pretty easily. You make a pretty poor case for it to begin with, and you've otherwise provided no solid argument that they are anything more than a dumb think tank. That's all they are.

I don't see how it is inane to assume along with the naval build up by the US and britian, that they're setting up their own people and the iranians for the kidnappings to occur and use it as the provacation to further PNAC's plans.

Well let me tell you how it's inane:

1. You have absolutely NO proof that this is what they've done, and infact admit to it later on in your post.

2. You have yet to show us where PNAC even states these plans; and

3. Your middle friggin name is INANE. Not only does your argument have no credibility, but YOU have absolutely no credibility here. If you think your arguments are so damn sound, you had better do a better job of supportin them.

Either way because of the naval build up by the us and brits on the gulf of iran which may appear as a threat to the iranians, can you blame them for the kidnappings?

Ok, so here you drop your silly attempt to turn this into a ridiculous conspiracy, and simply show your allegiance to all things anti-American.

YES, I can blame them for it, because it violates international law if they took them in Iraqi waters. The British had been doing those routine sweeps, under UN approval, for months. This was a premeditated attempt to create an international incident, and you damn well know it.

Surely the US would have done the same if it was the other way around, that if iran was building up along the coast of either atlantic or pacific ocean.

But that hasn't happened, in fact this was a violation of international law against the BRITISH, so let's try to focus champ.

What do you think of the videos in which three or so of the british personnels who have confessed being in the iranian waters and apologize? Do you think it's legit or are they trying to weasel their way out of the hole by complying with the irnaians?[

I first off think it's hysterical that a dumbass such as you, who doesnt trust video footage of Osama Bin Laden, and who thinks video footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 is altered by the government, takes these video confessions at face value. it just goes to show that all your talk about being a "truth seeker" is simply cowardice and a show to cover up what's nothing more than good old fashioned anti-Americanism. You hate your country, and will take the word of ANYBODY else over them.

And speaking of cowardice, I'd love to see how you wet your pants in the situation those sailors are in, while you try to "weasel" your way out in order to "comply" with the Iranians. I'd give you about 10 seconds before you went native and were praising Allah, you little toad.

NO, I don't pay any credence to those confessions. I disregard them, just as I disregard 99.9% of the things you say.

At least to me their confessions are more believable than khalid sheikh mohammad's confession since it wasn't videotaped and aired to the public for them to see.

You are a moron.

[Ant10708]

I love how everyone mentions the US and our government policies as if we were actually directly involved in this incident



TOTAL SETUP BY THE US AND BRITISH ON THEIR OWN TROOPS

[KevinTheOmnivore]

So the 15 sailors will thankfully be released tomorrow.

So Geggy, I'm a little confused about a couple of things...

If this incident was staged by "The West," why are these sailors being released? Where's the invasion? Where's the Gulf of Tonkin?

Also, if this was truly just the Iranians protecting their coastline, why are they releasing these Brits now that they're getting access to five Iranian "diplomats" being held in Iraq? Any connection? What say you, oh truth seeker?

[Geggy]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

If this incident was staged by "The West," why are these sailors being released? Where's the invasion? Where's the Gulf of Tonkin?

Like they would start bombing iran after the video of captives smiling and behaving in a rational way was shown to the public. It's would be a stupid PR move on the us's part and they'd be violating the geneva convention laws for having a weak justifcation. Iran played a dangerous game in capturing these sailors but they know the US want so badly to invade Iran and they clearly played smart in making the west look weak. If iran truly wanted war with the west and commit suicide, they would have already sent a missile to israel or blow up one of the naval ships during the wargames, in which the us is hoping they would do.

Also, if this was truly just the Iranians protecting their coastline, why are they releasing these Brits now that they're getting access to five Iranian "diplomats" being held in Iraq? Any connection? What say you, oh truth seeker?

You know I have absolutely no recollection of anyone making deals to trade in the brits for the iranian captives during the crisis so zebari must be telling the truth when he said there's no connection. Even the us and brit military hadn't any idea of the meeting until after it was announced iran was going to release the 15 sailors. Have you ever even once considered the possibility that iranians may be telling the truth at all? Everything to you is one sided.

[Geggy]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

I first off think it's hysterical that a dumbass such as you, who doesnt trust video footage of Osama Bin Laden, and who thinks video footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 is altered by the government, takes these video confessions at face value. it just goes to show that all your talk about being a "truth seeker" is simply cowardice and a show to cover up what's nothing more than good old fashioned anti-Americanism. You hate your country, and will take the word of ANYBODY else over them.

Oh yeah, look who's talking. Youre willing to believe in everything the us government says to you otherwise you'd be in fear of considering yourself as anti-american if you ever accuse anyone in the government of lying. Only your narrow view would think the bush administration represents all of amrerica.

I started to lean more on the fact the video may be propaganda once I found out recently that it was aired to the public with no sound. I hadn't had any idea in the first place. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

And speaking of cowardice, I'd love to see how you wet your pants in the situation those sailors are in, while you try to "weasel" your way out in order to "comply" with the Iranians. I'd give you about 10 seconds before you went native and were praising Allah, you little toad.

Can you explain why did video showed these sailors all smiling and shit like they were on taking a vacation away from their duties in iraq? It's almost impossible for anyone to behave that way if they were under duress and had a gun held to their heads unless they were injected with cheap us branded sedatives.

NO, I don't pay any credence to those confessions. I disregard them, just as I disregard 99.9% of the things you say.

Well that's your problem then.