Question for Chojin

[Esuohlim]

Originally Posted by Blue Gularis

Fascinating. Might this incredibly subtle sense of humor include barging into a topic where people are enjoying themselves to attack them in the most obnoxious ways possible?

Oh man if only you knew

[Chojin]

Okay, didn't see this until today. In the future, if you send me a PM, I'll be able to respond more quickly.

So first, let me go over RULES RULES RULES. GW probably took your flame war to PMs because it specifically says in the rules to not hijack a thread or follow someone around the forums bitching at them constantly, so in that respect he was probably doing the rest of us a favor. On the other hand, I at least tend to take PM harassment more seriously than forum harassment.

Now, regarding how this forum actually works - Things would get really boring if people never had a disagreement. GW running in and trashing your thread in picture captions & photoshops was obnoxious in the sense that I don't want any new people to quit, but come on now, it was really pretty funny watching how everyone reacted. I-Mockery itself is dedicated to mocking people that take themselves too seriously, and the forums are no different.

So, bottom line:
For the people who are being legitimately harassed, we have an ignore function. You click on a person's name, go to their profile, then click 'add x to your ignore list'. Here's a shortcut to that link if you really can't handle angry words being shared over the internet: http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/profi...=ignore&u=3440

As for asking me - in the middle of your official complaint thread - whether or now GW is one of my bestest internet buddies in the whole wide world:
1. That's really neither here nor there.
2. Don't be a queer.
3. Yes.


By the way, we generally don't ban people on this forum, so please don't treat the rulebook as a "win every argument" card. I think it was you who said in general blabber something to the effect of "Keep posting, you're just giving me more material to get you banned. ". This isn't AOL and we don't adhere to their Terms Of Service. If someone is being a LEGITIMATE PEST in ways that you can't avoid, that's when you need to dial an admin (and I can understand if you didn't know about the ignore function, it isn't clearly documented).

However, don't you think it's a little presumptuous to sign up for a forum and then try to get some of the people who have been around for years banned? Would I do that at your family reunion?

[Blue Gularis]

Originally Posted by Chojin

Okay, didn't see this until today. In the future, if you send me a PM, I'll be able to respond more quickly.

So first, let me go over RULES RULES RULES. GW probably took your flame war to PMs because it specifically says in the rules to not hijack a thread or follow someone around the forums bitching at them constantly, so in that respect he was probably doing the rest of us a favor. On the other hand, I at least tend to take PM harassment more seriously than forum harassment.

Now, regarding how this forum actually works - Things would get really boring if people never had a disagreement. GW running in and trashing your thread in picture captions & photoshops was obnoxious in the sense that I don't want any new people to quit, but come on now, it was really pretty funny watching how everyone reacted. I-Mockery itself is dedicated to mocking people that take themselves too seriously, and the forums are no different.

So, bottom line:
For the people who are being legitimately harassed, we have an ignore function. You click on a person's name, go to their profile, then click 'add x to your ignore list'. Here's a shortcut to that link if you really can't handle angry words being shared over the internet: http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/profi...=ignore&u=3440

As for asking me - in the middle of your official complaint thread - whether or now GW is one of my bestest internet buddies in the whole wide world:
1. That's really neither here nor there.
2. Don't be a queer.
3. Yes.


By the way, we generally don't ban people on this forum, so please don't treat the rulebook as a "win every argument" card. I think it was you who said in general blabber something to the effect of "Keep posting, you're just giving me more material to get you banned. ". This isn't AOL and we don't adhere to their Terms Of Service. If someone is being a LEGITIMATE PEST in ways that you can't avoid, that's when you need to dial an admin (and I can understand if you didn't know about the ignore function, it isn't clearly documented).

However, don't you think it's a little presumptuous to sign up for a forum and then try to get some of the people who have been around for years banned? Would I do that at your family reunion?

Chojin,

Thanks for answering the question and responding. Out of respect for you I am going to come back tomorrow to reply to your post in detail after I've slept on it. This is like in 'They Live' when Rowdy Roddy puts on the special glasses...

[Blue Gularis]

This double post was an edit accident. PS, fuck you guys.

[Chojin]

Looking back, that was really wordy. Here's what I meant to say:

• If you have a problem with someone that you can't deal with, just put them on ignore.

• If they're still giving you problems, somehow, then come talk to me about it.

• I would tell the same thing to him or anyone else.

The only reason to ask me to do something about it otherwise is if you want me to punish them, which is silly.

[Blue Gularis]

Chojin,

I don't feel at all presumptuous asking for people to follow the forum rules- I read them and I try to follow them. I see from what you state that they are really more suggestions than rules. Thanks for clarifying that 'people who have been around for years' really don't have to follow them. I get how things work now!

Getting Guitar Woman banned seriously wasn't my plan, although I would certainly enjoy it. He is the one who showed up in my PM box which was the last straw for me and it sounds like you might take that somewhat seriously. For my part that is what pushed me to where we are here.

What I'd like to see is people like Guitar Woman moderated. I really don't consider an 'Ignore List' to be a substitute for responsible moderation. The 'ignore list' is pretty much putting one's head in the sand, you can't watch your back like that.

You say you don't want to see new people leave- sorry, I am so not very convinced! I've seen several come and go in the short month+ I've been here- always after Guitar Woman or his posse called them various combinations of 'stupid, ugly,faggot, awful, fucked up', etc. These attacks are unwarranted and unfunny. Obviously they can't get the difference between a humorous and tasteful mock and just plain mean shit-talk. Anyway, it's happening, people are leaving but it seems like it's actually a private party so I guess that's good for them- talk about a circle jerk.

Fuck me, how's this for coming right out and saying it?

Originally Posted by Guitar Woman

I take it back, having new people here is a shitty idea.

I'm staying because I respect Imock, protoclown and Burbank and I like their work. You've got those guys attracting new people with their art and artless people driving them away almost as fast! These forums frankly aren't much fun because of this, a shame really. For my part if I want abuse I'll call my dominatrix.

Originally Posted by Chojin

....whether or now GW is one of my bestest internet buddies in the whole wide world:
1. That's really neither here nor there.
2. Don't be a queer.
3. Yes.
***(snipped)

Well, I posted this to call Guitar Woman's bluff and it looks like I lost that hand. Who'd a thunk it?
1. It became 'here' after Guitar Woman played the 'Chojin is my best buddy' card'.
2. Queer? I'm not Guitar Woman's friend!
3. I will try not to revise my opinion of you downward too drastically. Do you have any other venomous pets I should be aware of?

All in all I do have to admit it was a pretty fun firefight and I wasn't bored... The Cartoon Amalgamators defended their honor implacably. I give DuFlabhands a miter of respect for actually photoshopping a mock rather than just repeating the same obnoxious whiny shit over and over like Guitar Woman- that dude is fingernails on the chalkboard. How about a shorter leash, please?

Thanks for telling me how things really are here Chojin, I do appreciate your candor. If I have further problems I'll be sure to let you know- somehow I don't foresee that happening.

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by Blue Gularis

Thanks for clarifying that 'people who have been around for years' don't have to follow them. I get how things work now.

Sassiness aside, you also can't play internet referee with every rule. The people who have been here for years do get preferential treatment, yes. That's the way any intelligent establishment operates. You may even find that your local McDonalds operates on the same principle!

He is the one who showed up in my PM box which was the last straw for me and it sounds like you might take that somewhat seriously.

Post the PMs from both sides. I find it curious that you keep alluding to these PMs but won't show any examples.

I really don't consider an 'Ignore List' to be a substitute for responsible moderation. The 'ignore list' is pretty much putting one's head in the sand, you can't watch your back like that.

Think about what you're actually saying here. If you can't hear him, why would you care? Would you care because other people on the forum can still hear him? Do you think if we were to ban him that no one would ever hear his opinion of you? And again, why do you care? Why should I care that you care? This sounds way more like your problem than mine or anyone else's.

You have the means by which to solve this problem yourself, you just want internet justice to be served. I think that's more immature than anything Guitar Woman has done in your thread (though probably not during the entirety of his tenure).

You say you don't want to see new people leave- sorry, I am so not very convinced! I've seen several come and go in the short month+ I've been here- always after Guitar Woman or his posse called them various combinations of 'stupid, ugly,faggot, awful, fucked up', etc. These attacks are unwarranted and unfunny. Obviously they can't get the difference between a humorous and tasteful mock and just plain mean shit-talk.

I agree to an extent. At the same time, we've always been a self-filtering community, and I don't think we should abandon that entirely either.

Thanks for telling me how things really are here Chojin, I do appreciate your candor. If I have further problems I'll be sure to let you know- somehow I don't foresee that happening.

It is impossible to sum up any forum's culture in a couple of paragraphs. This would be the reason that most people lurk before posting. Would you be upset if you went to France, only to find out that nobody spoke English? Would you alert the prime minister to deport your concierge? It does say right on the travel brochure that they're a friendly, fanciful people.

I'm really very curious as to how you feel things should be run instead. So far, I've deduced that we need to ban guitar woman and anyone else who doesn't use their indoor voice, because ignore features are for the birds.