Proposition 8 - Totally Gay Corollary Observations

[kahljorn]

Those are just a few, but you bring a good point: not that many adults understand the ramifications of getting married. If grown men and women are having trouble wrapping their brains around this stuff, what chance do our kids and pets stand?

Don't forget that all of these relationships are capable of complete consent and understanding: group marriages, polygamous marriages, adolescents, aliens.

also retarded and stupid people shouldn't be allowed to get married because what the fuck do they know about the ramifications of marriage? They are incompetent.

What's your opinion about group marriages, polygamous marriages, adolescent marriage alien marriage and marriage with anything that's disgusting but capable of consenting?

how do you envision those acts gaining the same level of support that is currently enjoyed by gay marriage (that is, where enough people are in favor of legalizing it that it is a subject of significant debate)?

it doesn't really matter if the reasons somebody is stating for not taking something as fact will ever be considered a good thing by most people in society. The fact that everybody thinks it is bad is part of what gives it so much weight. Their reasoning is sloppy enough that it could just as easily allow horse marriage as gay marriage -- and nobody wants horse marriage.

What you've done is just change the definition or reason why gays should get married from, "THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT CAUSE THEY WANNA" (which is usually people's initial reasoning) to MARRIAGE SHOULD ONLY BE BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS, which as I mentioned earlier, is a better argument. but it still has holes.
And anyway, it takes the criticism towards one set of reasoning and makes it look ridiculous by applying it to another set of reasoning. In short, you are a straw man.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Don't forget that all of these relationships are capable of complete consent and understanding: group marriages, polygamous marriages, adolescents, aliens.

Just to be clear... what is the difference between group and polygamous marriages? And aliens? Really dude? Next you will be saying that in the future dogs will have cyborg brains and therefore can consent and yada yada yada...

Originally Posted by kahljorn

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Just past allowing consenting adults being allowed to marry each other, and just short of allowing adults to marry children, animals, and inanimate objects.
Its easy to say that, but more difficult to give a reason why it should stop there if it doesn't stop at homosexuals and group marriages. People say, "LET THE HOMOSEXUALS HAVE WHAT THEY WANT AND BE HAPPY." Well, why not let people who are in to bestiality have what they want and be happy?

I think he answered it right there. Consenting adults. That is where you draw the line.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

As for consenting adults, a man could marry 50 consenting women. Is there anything wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Dr. Boogie

Sure, if someone can make a convincing argument that certain people, when they are born, have a natural perdilection towards polygamy, and that it is not merely a choice they make when they subscribe to a certain religion.

Not to mention we can easily say one marriage at a time. There are plenty of polygamist in the USA and they seam to be just fine and dandy doing things the way they have been.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Why shouldn't "adults" be able to marry mature "adolescents"? The only reason most people can think of is because the law says that adults can't fuck children (and they can't enter legally binding contracts...). Well, WHAT IF THEY DONT FUCK THEM until they are 18? Are all marriages about sex?
And the law isn't really a viable means to assess competency and the ability to consent, so maybe some adolescents should have the right to be able to marry

18 is the legal age of consent. Not just for sex but for anything. You cant sign any contracts before 18 (or if you do, you cant be legally held to it) this includes marriage. Now some states do allow people under the age of 18 to get married. I dont have a list of these states or what their requirements for marriage to people under the age of 18 are but it happens and its legal no matter how much people dont like it.

[Dr. Boogie]

also retarded and stupid people shouldn't be allowed to get married because what the fuck do they know about the ramifications of marriage? They are incompetent.

How do you define "retarded" and "stupid"?

What's your opinion about group marriages, polygamous marriages, adolescent marriage alien marriage and marriage with anything that's disgusting but capable of consenting?

Group and polygamy: eh, I've got nothing against them. But as for adolescents marrying aliens, I must point out that aliens have technology far superior to our own. Why, in "Destroy All Humans!", the main character was able to use mind control to manipulate the human population. So I ask you: what is your opinion of mind controlled marriages?

it doesn't really matter if the reasons somebody is stating for not taking something as fact will ever be considered a good thing by most people in society. The fact that everybody thinks it is bad is part of what gives it so much weight. Their reasoning is sloppy enough that it could just as easily allow horse marriage as gay marriage -- and nobody wants horse marriage.

The reason I ask is because the slippery slope is the one I see thrown out the most as why we shouldn't legalize gay marriage. I want people who honestly believe that legalizing gay marriage will lead to legalizing bestiality and such to stop and think for a moment. That gay marriage is legal doesn't lead directly to men marrying children. If they can't explain what happens in the interim to change these acts from taboos to accepted lifestyles, then their argument is chaff not fit for the horses they fear will be married.

What you've done is just change the definition or reason why gays should get married from, "THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT CAUSE THEY WANNA" (which is usually people's initial reasoning) to MARRIAGE SHOULD ONLY BE BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS, which as I mentioned earlier, is a better argument. but it still has holes.

On the contrary, what I was saying had very little to do with gays at all. I was answering your question of why pedophiles and zoophiles shouldn't be allowed to get married. At this point, gay marriage is barely even involved in the discussion. Of course, the irony is that I declined to talk about the age of consent because I felt like it would be getting off topic.

Oh, vanity, thy name is Dr. Boogie!