gaza bombing (you knew I was going to bring this up!)

[Tadao]

There is far more important things going on in the world than this ongoing bullshit. Like the eminent doom of every one younger than me.

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by Tadao

There is far more important things going on in the world than this ongoing bullshit. Like the eminent doom of every one younger than me.

Right, but The Left, Jimmy Carter, and the UN all claim this is the forbidden topic nobody talks about.

[derrida]

I'm not convinced. I still think this is either the single most tragic case of blowback in the entire region, or, more cynically, an attempt to divide and de-legitimize the Palestinian government in the eyes of the world.

If the Muslim Brotherhood is one of the largest regional threats to Israel, why would Israel actively, though mostly indirectly, support it's Palestinian front organization al-mujama, that would eventually become Hamas?

It seems to me that those in power on either side care not the least about the people actually dying: Israeli generals and politicians don't care any more about their own people than Hamas care about theirs, just so long as they're the ones winning.

[Abcdxxxx]

It was the peacenik Leftist Israelis who vaguely supported Hamas, just as they supported Arafat. The great blowback would be the outcome of Oslo, where Israel provided the PA with guns, and training only to have it turned back on them. Hamas was not built up by Israel, unless you consider the 70+ trucks of aid meant to go to Palestinians as somehow supporting Hamas. http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Art...651783,00.html

None of these so called Palestinian groups should have ever been legitimized in the first place.

The divisive climate within the Palestinian factions traces outside the conflict. It's not an Israeli fabrication or manipulation, even though Israel has thought they could use it to their advantage at times. Pan-Arabism has never worked for obvious reasons.

[derrida]

Begin and Shamir were Prime Minister during the formative years of Hamas, both members of right wing political parties.

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by derrida

Begin and Shamir were Prime Minister during the formative years of Hamas, both members of right wing political parties.

That's incorrect. Israel has it's first unity Government in 1984...and the name Peres is absent from your list. Sure, Wiki says Islamic Resistance Movement/Islamic Center started in 1973, but that's not entirely true. It's like Al-Banna and Qutb never existed, though Yassin quoted them almost exclusively, and was a formal member of the Muslim Brotherhood. In effect, what became Hamas started as a Gaza chapter, funded by Saudi, Kuwati and Jordanian money.


Begin introduced the original plan to create a Palestinian Gaze State sometime around 1975'ish.... but that was also the same period when Peace Now organized, and introduced their iniatives, which are basically what we got stuck with. Peace Now pushed for negotiations, when there was nobody to negotiate with. The Palestinians had no leadership, and nobody in their right mind would have pretended the 10,000 members of the PLFP represented 600,000 refugees interests when they sought to overthrow the entire neighborhood.