Strength training VS Cardio for fat loss

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by elx

OK, apparently, we have very ideas of what "cardio" is.

i don't think you read my post

i was not referring to like 80s jazzercise. cardio is the best, it's the fast-paced stuff that gets you moving. boxing, dancing, skating, swimming, running, whatever. you can do hardcore or light, you will get results either way.

Just much more slowly than you would if you were lifting instead of doing cardio or doing it in tandem with cardio.

it's not rocket science, anyone can understand why cardio is a more reasonable choice for someone just looking to slim down. strengthening will totally change your physique, it'll take the fat and make it work in a different way for you

Um, fat loss is fat loss. Lifting weights will make your muscles bigger faster than cardio, but that is BECAUSE IT IS MORE EFFECTIVE aAISRISUARERJFEAIOSFAGH

-- whereas cardio will just take your shape and make it smaller, it'll eliminate the fat and then after a while, begin to tighten your body. (tighten=tone to me)

"tighten" just means your skin is closer to your muscle. If you're reducing fat while minorly increasing muscle (cardio), this will happen more slowly than if you're reducing fat quickly while majorly increasing muscle (weightlighting). Or at your discretion, you can just lift weights with higher reps and not increase the poundage - doing it this way, you'll increase muscle at about the same rate as cardio (if not slower, since you are limited by rational boundaries) and it'll still be a better use of your time.

and yeah cardio is way more fun imo

yeah i can't think of any better way to spend 60 minutes than staring at a TV or wall while I repeat the same motion

fyi i play videogames while i use my recumbent bike on my cardio days so it's not really that bad, but point is -

cardio is inferior to lifting weights unless you're an olympic swimmer (and therefore need your bodyweight to be retarded low). chicks all seem to have this retarded phobia of becoming the next chyna if they touch a barbell, when their bodies are physically not able to do that without going nuts with injections like they're playing Bioshock.

[elx]

first off, you're a jerk, i don't want to be kidnapped, if i wanted my words on 4chan i'd post them there myself

and i'll try to meet you in the middle here,
cardio is better for slimming down, it is faster and more efficient.
strength training is better for overall fitness in the long run.

this is proven, this is known, it's not even a debate. it's the way it is.
i was trying to avoid the semantics and make this as simple as possible to understand, but if you still don't, i'd be more than happy to get technical.

ALSO, i'm not afraid of strength training, i've done it plenty, i have no issues with it, i actually had to take a workshop on it when getting my assistant coach badge. i wasn't going to say anything at all but i found it incredibly annoying that you were actually discouraging people from doing what they were doing and wanted to do just because you read about fitness on 4chan and it worked for you, which is great and awesome and dandy but not everyone wants to do 200 squats and pullups a day nothing wrong with cardio

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by elx

first off, you're a jerk, i don't want to be kidnapped, if i wanted my words on 4chan i'd post them there myself

and i'll try to meet you in the middle here,
cardio is better for slimming down, it is faster and more efficient.
strength training is better for overall fitness in the long run.

this is proven, this is known, it's not even a debate. it's the way it is.

No it fucking isn't.

You have it backwards. People who lift weights become cosmetically better, but often are lacking in terms of actual fitness. THAT is what cardio is for.

Feel free to educate yourself!
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

And because I know you won't read it, here's the part of it that directly relates to this discussion:

Are you trying to lose weight? Lift weights. Lifting burns tons of calories, and lifting weights while dieting will cause you to retain more muscle and lose more fat than just diet and/or cardio. Because the name of the game when it comes to not looking awful is FAT LOSS, not weight loss. Do you want to be that guy who loses lots of weight and still looks flabby and useless? Of course not.

Are you just trying to “tone up”? Lift weights. “Toning” is kind of a nonsense term, because you don’t actually “tone” anything. You can only lose fat and gain muscle, and lifting weights helps you do both, by burning calories and promoting muscle growth. Like I said before, you get huge by eating huge, not lifting weights; lifting just determines how much of your weight is muscle vs. fat.

Are you a woman? Lift weights, because I already explained why lifting won’t turn you into a man, and all the other benefits still apply to you. And if you are a 1 in 1,000,000 woman who can pack on muscle mass like a man, just stop working out as hard and it will go away. This is a gradual process we are talking about here; you don’t go from Twiggy to Linebacker Bulldyke overnight.

Lifting weights also makes you stronger, less injury prone and promotes stronger bones and looking better naked. It speeds up your metabolism a bit and makes you healthier generally.

But what about cardio? For one thing, it burns lots of calories. But cardio is also good for everyone because it improves your overall endurance and ability to exert yourself over an extended period. It promotes cardiovascular health and contributes to increased bone density. Basically, your ability to perform pretty much any kind of physical activity is helped by being in good cardiovascular health, and it makes it less likely that you will eventually die from your heart exploding.

My suggestion is to alternate weights and cardio, for instance doing 3 days of weights, 2 days of cardio, and taking the other 2 days off. Doing both on the same day tends to cause one or the other to suffer from reduced effort, and generally burns people out.

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by elx

cardio is better for slimming down, it is faster and more efficient.
strength training is better for overall fitness in the long run.

this is proven, this is known, it's not even a debate. it's the way it is.

"Why weight loss requires strength training, even in women and seniors"

http://www.naturalnews.com/011285_bo...scle_mass.html

"Strength Training for Weight Loss: Weight Lifting Is Better Than Cardio Exercise or Dieting"

http://weight-loss-methods.suite101....or_weight_loss

"The typical consensus is that cardiovascular activity and a stringent diet are the only ways to achieve weight loss. On the contrary, utilizing a weightlifting routine will boost your metabolism and help you shed unwanted weight."

http://www.ehow.com/way_5410921_stre...ight-loss.html

i'd be more than happy to get technical.

go on

[Fathom Zero]

Originally Posted by Chojin

fyi i play videogames while i use my recumbent bike on my cardio days so it's not really that bad, but point is...

One of my best friends in the world would do stuff like that. He's got a treadmill and plays his vidya games and watches T.V. He lost sixty pounds, doing that everyday for I don't know how long.