ABORTION!!!!!

[Blasted Child]

Oh thank you for enlightening me, minion of Kahl, I shall return to my drawing board and formulate such an argument, which I will give to you so that you can show it to him. Please tell his highness that he might have to wait a while - arguments against stoning sick people to death don't exactly formulate themselves.

[kahljorn]

Zhukov please forward blasted child's last two responses to my private message folder thank you.

[Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Blasted Child

Oh thank you for enlightening me, minion of Kahl, I shall return to my drawing board and formulate such an argument, which I will give to you so that you can show it to him. Please tell his highness that he might have to wait a while - arguments against stoning sick people to death don't exactly formulate themselves.

Hey, I was just letting you know. Plus, I don't see why it's all of a sudden not worthy of discussion; if you are passionate enough about it and someone wants to know what you think, then I would say that's a perfectly good reason to debate.

[kahljorn]

I mean don't assume that everyone is a lazy moocher when in fact they may want to work but can't, due to a number of illnesses or whatever. I think when the general attitude towards recipients of benefits is that they probably don't deserve them is when the climate of a society is taking a turn for the worse.

For the first part, I'm sure a percentage of the persons who are receiving benefits are capable of working or providing for themselves but receive benefits instead. My point is that this percentage of persons could increase if things i mentioned earlier happened.
For the second part, why would you think that?

[Lord Lonic]

Abortion is wrong and should be considered murder. A woman should get life in prison for killing a fucking baby.

[The Leader]

Well, what about men? I know that a lot of doctors are women these days but I imagine most of the people performing the operation would be men.

[Lord Lonic]

Men are safe

[Ant10708]

A Swedish man who claimed to be wheelchair bound has been asked to repay millions of kronor in social insurance benefits after authorities obtained a picture of a him dancing with a life-sized rabbit.

The 33-year-old man from Halmstad in western Sweden had claimed for years that he was bound to a wheelchair and as a result qualified for public assistance in the form of payments made to “people in his immediate environment” who helped him with daily tasks.

While the doctor who originally examined the man didn't find any reason as to why the man couldn't walk, the doctor nevertheless accepted the man's claims.

Between November 1st, 2005 and January 31st, 2009, the Social Insurance Agency (Försäkringskassan) paid the man a total of 3,001,741 kronor ($400,000) in benefits.

[Ant10708]

Around 20 billion kronor in welfare benefits are wrongly paid out by government agencies every year, according to a new study.
The report, by a committee drawn from various public authorities, says that 10 billion kronor a year is paid out to people who are knowingly cheating the system.
Mistakes by benefit claimants account for 6 billion kronor, with the remaining overpayments due to failures by the public authority issuing the benefits.


wheel chair bound in sweden

[Blasted Child]

Ant, if that is aimed at me, which I guess it is considering you took the time to google up something Sweden-related, is it meant to prove anything? That the Swedish social insurance agency can make mistakes? That it's not perfect?
You could have asked me; I'm well aware of its shortcomings.

Since you're playing the copy and paste game, here's from wikipedia:

The US pays twice as much yet lags behind other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy. Currently the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][12] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[13][14][15] The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[16][17] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[18][19] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[20] According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[21][22] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [21] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[23][24] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[25]

[Ant10708]

I thought your argument was not to assume that people abuse the social benefit system.

[Zhukov]

I don't really see the problem in not assuming something as stupidly generalised as "everyone abuses the system".

[kahljorn]

Isn't, "Everyone does not abuse the welfare system" just as stupidly generalized?

[Blasted Child]

Obviously, I know that there exist people who abuse the system, I'm a not a complete idiot.
I meant that the attitude towards an individual benefit seeker shouldn't be that he's a potential con artist.
At the moment in Sweden there is a growing tendency to disbelieve just about everyone who is on a long term sick leave, and our government is about to cancel proper support for tens of thousands of seriously ill people.

I think we're moving in the wrong direction.

Also, I think the numbers relating to these insurance scams are a bit misguiding. How big a problem is this really? How big an amount of money is this compared to corruption, bonus-systems, corporate crime etc etc. How dangerous is it to our society that some people abuse the system, compared to letting poor people suffer because they can't afford the health care?
Has a nation ever fallen due to sheer lack of work force, due to labourers pretending to be sick when they aren't?
I think we're blowing this out of proportions.

[Dimnos]

Ever heard the term "A few bad apples spoils the bunch"?

[The Leader]

He's Swedish, Dimnos.

[Tadao]

You have to put it in Death Metal terms nowadays.

[Dimnos]

They dont have apples in Sweden?

[The Leader]

Nope, it's too cold. They just shrivel up like a Swede's scrotum.

[Blasted Child]

The Leader, It must be dear memory to you, the day you got to examine a Swede's scrotum

[Zhukov]

[The Leader]

So it was good for you too, BC?

[Dimnos]

Hey. Do you guys in Sweden shove frozen piss through mail slots like they do in Finland?