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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 11:44 AM       
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By this logic we already have "death panels" whether or not they work for an insurance company the government or even a hospital. Someone is always rationing health care.
You left out how this new "health care" bill doesn't do anything to stop the rationing of care from Government / private interests, actually bails them out of their derivative debts, and forces you to buy a product from a for profit company while cutting more funding for social safety nets.

They could of passed a law that would ban death panels (rationing of care) but they didn't THE HEALTH CARE BILLIS A FARCE, A RUSE, A SHAME, its blatant and obvious. It has death panels, it has rationing of care, it is run by private for-profit insurance companies.....this isn't difficult to understand.


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By this logic no one can trust anyone anywhere anytime.
No, that's your backwards and counter productive logic. If that were true then I wouldn't have used the World Net Daily article to back up my point but I looked it over did some fact checking (no pun intended) and found out there was no faults in the summary that Richard Poe wrote up.

You have to come to your own conclusions. You can't adhere to any kind of biased if you want to think objectively, empirically and or rationally.

think. please. I beg you.
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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 02:19 PM       
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No, that's your backwards and counter productive logic. If that were true then I wouldn't have used the World Net Daily article to back up my point but I looked it over did some fact checking (no pun intended) and found out there was no faults in the summary that Richard Poe wrote up.
So The Leader cant use FactCheck.org but you can use the World Net Daily?! FactCheck at least claims to be non-partisan. WND is openly conservative. I have read over many things at FactCheck and they have never shown themselves to favor one side. WND generally and openly favors the right. You then give The Leader shit for distrusting O'Reilly when you yourself said...

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I really don't know how people take any of them seriously. Everything is already written for them and downloaded into their teleprompters before they even get to work, they self censor themselves, and are in the tank whoever pays the most.
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You guys really believe that all the talking heads, left or right, are really pushing their own ideologies? You don't think they are reading from a pre-written script?
Hell you yourself dont trust the guy. YOU SAID SO YOURSELF. So why isnt it ok for him to be distrustful?


Beyond that show me an article where FactCheck got it blatantly wrong.

Not to mention in the past WND has said FactCheck is correct and agreed with them on at least one occasion on the subject of Obamas birth certificate.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

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However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.
A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

So if they guys you are saying are true and correct say FactCheck is true and correct...




But Im getting away from my original point. You said you cant trust organizations because they lie but then expect us to trust this other organization just because? And IM the one with "backwards and counter productive" logic?! Go screw yourself is probably the nicest thing I can really respond to that with.
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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 02:39 PM       
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So The Leader cant use FactCheck.org but you can use the World Net Daily?! FactCheck at least claims to be non-partisan. WND is openly conservative. I have read over many things at FactCheck and they have never shown themselves to favor one side. WND generally and openly favors the right. You then give The Leader shit for distrusting O'Reilly when you yourself said...
TheLeader can use whatever information he pleases, all I did was give an indepth history of who FactCheck is, which foundation they are tied too, and who worked for them in the past (OBAMA).

Even if WND says they are "conservative" that's completely irrelevant because it's the information in the article I was speaking about not the altruistic nature of World net Daily.



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So why isnt it ok for him to be distrustful?
God help us.....

TheLeader has every right to be distrustful of whomever he pleases BUT he used a discredited talking head teleprompter reader from the "right" persuasion in a ham fisted attempt to discredit my article. You can't just say a person's name who is a villian and attach them to anything you want to attack on the basis of nothing.

The article I posted was about the Obama health care monstrosity. NOT ABOUT BILL O'REILLY. They have nothing to do with each other.

See? get it?





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Not to mention in the past WND has said FactCheck is correct and agreed with them on at least one occasion on the subject of Obamas birth certificate.
Drew Zahn agreed with Factcheck.....Not WND......WND is a news website.....Drew Zahn is a writer. She doesn't speak for her entire paper.



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But Im getting away from my original point. You said you cant trust organizations because they lie .
No, what I said is that people can absorb any information they wish but one must come to an independent conclusion on them.

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However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.
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A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

^ This quote is all fine and dandy BUT they don't mention that Obama has spent over 2 MILLION dollars fighting legal battles concealing his birth certificate.

That's 2 MILLION dollars of legal costs to hide something and who are those "experts" they are talking about and wouldn't those bloggers who added text be in jail for falsifing a legal document? Who are these experts? Why haven't they talked about the 2 million in legal fees paid to lawyers to fight cases that want to see his documentation?

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Did you even read the editors notes?

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(Editor's note: WND's investigation into the certification of live birth did not include inspecting the actual document, but only asking experts to evaluate the online image. Those experts, therefore, could not "prove" the document's authenticity. The experts told WND merely that many of the forgery claims made against the image were inconclusive or falsified, leaving them no evidence that would cast doubt on the image's authenticity.)
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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 02:57 PM       
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TheLeader can use whatever information he pleases, all I did was give an indepth history of who FactCheck is, which foundation they are tied too, and who worked for them in the past (OBAMA).
In an attempt to discredit them by saying they are bias towards Obama.

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Even if WND says they are "conservative" that's completely irrelevant because it's the information in the article I was speaking about not the altruistic nature of World net Daily.
This is a valid point because you tried to discredit FacCheck by saying they were bias but then use your own bias source. Psst... This makes you a hypocrite.

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TheLeader has every right to be distrustful of whomever he pleases BUT he used a discredited talking head teleprompter reader from the "right" persuasion in a ham fisted attempt to discredit my article. You can't just say a person who is a villian and attach his or her name to anything you want to attack on the basis of nothing. The article I posted was about the Obama health care monstrosity. NOT ABOUT BILL O'REILLY. They have nothing to do with each other.

See? get it?
He was pointing out how O'Relly writes for WND and that if they will let just any bias fuck write for them how much can they really be trusted. Meanwhile FactCheck doesnt let just anyone write for them.


Do YOU see? Do YOU get it?


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Drew Zahn agreed with Factcheck.....Not WND......WND is a news website.....Drew Zahn is a writer. She doesn't speak for her entire paper.
They hired his ass there for in a way he does represent the company. This is why people get fired for acting like fuck twats when working for a company. BECAUSE ITS A REFLECTION OF THE COMPANY.


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No, what I said is that people can absorb any information they wish but one must come to an independent conclusion on them.
Again. NO THATS NOT WHAT YOU SAID. What you said was...

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FactCheck is absolutely unreliable for numerous reasons. First reason is that it's run by a private family (Foundation's are used by the rich for social manipulation and tax avoidance on their large sums of money),
As in people shouldnt absorb info form them. You then went on to give some crap from WND implying people should absorb info from them.
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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 03:06 PM       
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^ This quote is all fine and dandy BUT they don't mention that Obama has spent over 2 MILLION dollars fighting legal battles concealing his birth certificate.

That's 2 MILLION dollars of legal costs to hide something and who are those "experts" they are talking about and wouldn't those bloggers who added text be in jail for falsifing a legal document? Who are these experts? Why haven't they talked about the 2 million in legal fees paid to lawyers to fight cases that want to see his documentation?


Yeah. He really fucking hid that one. Who said the guy spend $2 Mil? The guy released it himself. Why would he spend that kind of money only to release it himself. And the whole birth certificate thing is a crap shoot anyway. The guy is a legally born citizen. Get over it. Why would the lefties go through all the trouble of putting him in when they could have gotten any number of other members of their party in to "fulfill their leftist agenda"?
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Old Apr 27th, 2010, 03:14 PM       
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Yeah. He really fucking hid that one. Who said the guy spend $2 Mil? The guy released it himself. Why would he spend that kind of money only to release it himself. And the whole birth certificate thing is a crap shoot anyway. The guy is a legally born citizen. Get over it. Why would the lefties go through all the trouble of putting him in when they could have gotten any number of other members of their party in to "fulfill their leftist agenda"?
Obamacrimes.com <---Website of the DEMOCRAT LEFTIST Attorney Philip J. Berg.

Obama has spend over 2 million dollars to hide his birth certificate. Some say he's Kenyan born, others say he's a naturalized citizen of Indonesia, either way he is spending massive amounts of money to conceal his documentation. No one knows who he is, he won't be questions, he won't allow it to be shown in a court of law.

Why would the "lefties" go through all this trouble? Well, it has nothing to do with "LEFT OR RIGHT", it has everything to do with Corporate, wallstreet control over the economy.

Obama is a puppet of the corporate oligarchy. He is their employee. get it?
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