Universal Health Care

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Not feeling that "Hope & Change" anymore? are ya? Ya, it was all bullshit. More astute people saw it coming from a mile away.

Obama = corporate puppet, warmonger, elitist, reactionary, race baiter, etc, etc, etc.

You're so pathetic. You don't even know who you're talking to.

What's that, a politician is a corporate tool? Holy shit, thanks for filling us in, Coolie! No one but you has a head on their shoulders to figure this out on there own so we really appreciate you being here.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Is a perfect example of what TheLeader did with the Bill O'Reilly comment. These people can't attack what I say so they must attack me personally. They try to equate me with a joke society or personality instead of debating me on the issues I bring up.

Why do they do this? Because the people on the Television do it, monkey see, monkey do, it's mental and behavioral training for the little people.

So now everyone handles an argument like the alpha males on TV (Keith Olbermann, Sean Hannity)do by making these little immature name calling arguments where you don't actually bring any ideas to the table you just compare the other person to something or someone who is an odd ball, crazy, or universally disliked.

Like clockwork they think. It's amazing how well they are trained.

How is pointing out that you're hypocrit by using a site run by Bill O'Reilly's pals while dismissing a site I used for similar, however inaccurate, reasons? You have not even tried to debate the topics. You just posted links. And I don't watch big news channels. You're doing the exact same thing that you're accusing us of, and all in one post.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Show me proof of Death Panels.

As usual, the most dangerous parts of ObamaCare aren't receiving the scrutiny they deserve—and one of the least examined is a new commission to tell Congress how to control health spending. Democrats are quietly attempting to impose a "global budget" on Medicare, with radical implications for U.S. medicine.

Like most of Europe, the various health bills stipulate that Congress will arbitrarily decide how much to spend on health care for seniors every year—and then invest an unelected board with extraordinary powers to dictate what is covered and how it will be paid for. White House budget director Peter Orszag calls this Medicare commission "critical to our fiscal future" and "one of the most potent reforms."
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Worse, it makes little room for medical innovations. The commission is mandated to go after "sources of excess cost growth," meaning treatments that are too expensive or whose coverage will boost spending. If researchers find a pricey treatment for Alzheimer's in 2020, that might be banned because it would add new costs and bust the global budget. Or it might decide that "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller," as President Obama put it in June.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...025055040.html

WA BAM!

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

WA BAM!

How do you read that and get "Death Panels?"

[Zhukov]

Obama is a Mexican pharmaceutical corporation

WA BAM!

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

How do you read that and get "Death Panels?"

is a new commission to tell Congress how to control health spending.

Hence....Death Panels.

And it's a little bit different then what is usually going on. If you read the bill....which you didn't.....you would realize that there will be 500 billion dollars in CUTS to social services. That's a lot different then our usual denial of care that's literally genocide and AS I POSTED ABOVE....there is a "NEW COMMISSION" that will TELL CONGRESS how to control health spending.......I.E. DEATH PANELS.

[Zhukov]

A commission on health spending = DEATH PANEL.


Quite literally genocide. The systematic elimination of an ethnic or racial group. This is what this is.


This new commission to regulate spending on health is only interested in ethnic cleansing.

Don't you see? It's really quite obvious.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

How do you read that and get "Death Panels?"

Originally Posted by Zhukov

A commission on health spending = DEATH PANEL.


Quite literally genocide. The systematic elimination of an ethnic or racial group. This is what this is.


This new commission to regulate spending on health is only interested in ethnic cleansing.

Don't you see? It's really quite obvious.

No, please stop twisting my words around. And by genocide I'm sure you mean the US people. They are group right?

Please READ the article. You're all having trouble understanding because you haven't read the article. You just see me post anything and attack it. Grow up please.

The "new commission" will be in the business of "CUTTING COSTS". Very simple.

Are you just disagreeing with me for fun? I can't believe that people would have trouble following this.....

[Zhukov]

A commission on healthcare spending or cuts does not equal the deliberate and systematic elimination of a racial or religious group. Even if we push things to extremes and imagine that Death Panels exist solely to prevent people from getting treatment, letting people die of their own accord isn't really the most efficient genocide I've heard of.

Oh, and another brilliant piece of idiocy from you; if the Death Panels (seriously, I've heard enough of this phrase) are committing genocide on US citizens.... then... surely the Death Panels are made up of US citizens? Right? I mean, are they eliminating themselves as a national group? Really? They are destroying themselves ON PURPOSE through the use of dangerous new weapons such as letting people die of their own accord? The Death Panels are committing genocide on US citizens, which include themselves.


Do you think about things before you type them?


Genocide?



Come on.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

The "new commission" will be in the business of "CUTTING COSTS". Very simple.

So currently insurance companies and the big wigs running medicare/medicade are in the business of "BLOWING CASH OUT THEIR ASSES"?

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I can't believe that people would have trouble following this.....

Look in the mirror you moron.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

500 billion dollars in cuts to social services = death

New Commission on cuttting costs = death

More money for the insurance companies = death

All of this is nothing more than a slippery slope argument. It doesnt mean death. It means they arent going to be flushing money down the drain running pointless tests on some hypochondriac who only needs some tums.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

More grumbles and snipes i see?

This is all Im hearing form you.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I was just expressing my opinion that no one who looks at the facts I set in front of them could possibly mistake that as not being a Death Panel.

What is it about people in glass houses?

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

If Zhukov still doesn't want to believe it.....it's hard for me to believe he's sincere....but I have to allow him to come to his own conclusion.

Zhukov is mocking you because your dumb.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Once again,

Get over it Flagg.

Once again, get over yourself.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Wait? You don't care about Death Panels anymore? Why.....because I just proved their existence?

What we have been REPEATEDLY telling you is that what you call a "death panel" ALREADY EXISTS. The fact that you are getting all worked up about the supposed "death panels" in the Obamacare measure is simply you BUYING INTO THE POLITICAL BULL SHIT MACHINE that your hypocrite ass has been telling everyone to avoid. God are you blind to your own crap?!

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Why does this always have to be about me personally? Why can't we talk about the facts on the table?

I only ask because its apparent your going to keep shoveling your shit all the while telling people its gold. The only thing we can agree on is that we both dont like Obamacare, for different reasons or whatever. So whats the solution? To do our best to keep it out and to send a message to congress that the people dont want this. So I simply want to know who your Senators and your House Rep are. That way you can know who you need to vote to keep and who you need to vote out. Only trying to help you.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Look at the ideas I bring up and say what you please about them or switch the subject to something different.

Wait? Isnt that what we have been doing and only cry about it?