Universal Health Care

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

Whoopsie. Did I hit a nerve?

No, I'm not upset. Somewhat disappointed, yes. But definitely not upset.

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

For the record, I've already "fixed" the HMO problem - I'm now on a PPO plan that does not require referrals. I pay quite a bit for the privilege too.

I don't know why you would take a shitty plan like that in the first place.

And I don't see healthcare as a "priviledge", I believe it to be a right. That's why I wish they just expanded medicare instead of creating this healthcare monstrosity which will effect negatively every working family in the USA.

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

Also for the record, the HMO plan that you so quickly analyzed and ordered me to "take to court" was discontinued by my company, chiefly because lack of employee participation.

Wish more people would protest with their wallets like that. The main obstacle comes from having to convince people its a bad idea. Usually only after they get screwed they realize that and by that time its too late.

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

And, I read the article, and, as I said before, I think it's horseshit.

Ok, but can you disprove it?

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

No, I'm not upset. Somewhat disappointed, yes. But definitely not upset.

Dude, you changed my name to something derisive and derogatory. Are you sure there's not something more going on here? :Psychoanalysis

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I don't know why you would take a shitty plan like that in the first place.

It was cheap.

I did it back when I was young, naive and foolish. About your age, in fact, coincidentally. After I had back surgery and the HMO wanted to deny me the cost of a second opinion I switched off that screwed up crap. Good thing too, as my son was less than a year old - try getting referrals for things like speech therapy. Not happening.

But again, this was 10+ years ago, when some guy named Clinton was getting his rocks off in the oval office. How is it that it's just now becoming cachet to call this crap "death panels"?

Answer - it's not, it's called "managed care".

In short, you're crazy if you think this isn't the way things have been for at least the last 10+ years. Nothing new or newly evil here, just the same old same old.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

And I don't see healthcare as a "priviledge", I believe it to be a right. That's why I wish they just expanded medicare instead of creating this healthcare monstrosity which will effect negatively every working family in the USA.

So in other words, you would expand an already flawed and badly mismanaged (and nearly bankrupt) government entitlement program?

Right.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Ok, but can you disprove it?

Only insofar as I can research the facts and determine to my own satisfaction that 99% of that article is horseshit. In much the same way as you can read your blogs and columnists and post links to internet sites and determine it to be 100% accurate.

And before you quote me, please refrain from changing my words. I quote you directly, I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. Plus, next time please spell-check and/or grammar-check your posts. With all due respect, you look like a goofball.

{there I go again, mumbling incoherently. }

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

It was cheap.

I hope you learned your lesson. You should read things before you start paying into them. Speaking of which...did you read the Healthcare bill? It's only 3000 pages long.

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

I did it back when I was young, naive and foolish. About your age, in fact, coincidentally.

Did I hit a nerve?

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

After I had back surgery and the HMO wanted to deny me the cost of a second opinion I switched off that screwed up crap.

Switched off a plan you shouldn't have agreed to in the first place....go on...

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

But again, this was 10+ years ago, when some guy named Clinton was getting his rocks off in the oval office. How is it that it's just now becoming cachet to call this crap "death panels"?

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

Answer - it's not, it's called "managed care".

The original question was "Does the new Obamacare Health bill contain Death Panels? "

The answer is yes. A commission of 11 government officials will head the commission and proactively deny you and others the care that they are entitled to. Worse then anything before.

This is how it works, Take notes,

The for-profit deregulated insurance companies will command the Government Officials who work on the Death Boards to find out reason to deny you certain costly procedures. Once denied, the for-profit insurance companies will just refer to the death panels to why they are denying you and your family.

Very Simple. How old are you again? And why don't you know this yet?

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

So in other words, you would expand an already flawed and badly mismanaged (and nearly bankrupt) government entitlement program?

I don't believe it's flawed, just under funded, and I agree, it is badly managed but these things can be fixed. It shouldn't be taken away, just improved upon and then expanded to compete with private insurers to force them to lower their prices while also mandating that they cannot deny care if one pays into the plan.

Healthcare fixed. Next.

Originally Posted by Colon Flagg

Only insofar as I can research the facts and determine to my own satisfaction that 99% of that article is horseshit.

I'll just take that as a "No" you can't disprove it. Call it names, yes (very mature), but disprove it, no.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

The original question was "Does the new Obamacare Health bill contain Death Panels? "

The answer is yes. A commission of 11 government officials will head the commission and proactively deny you and your family the care that they are entitled to. Worse then anything before.

The answer is no. Not to mention you have no fucking clue what they are or are not going to do. And what the fuck do you mean "Worse then anything before"? I highly doubt you know what the fuck anyone has done before. What is the worst injury you have ever had? Did you have to try and get the government to pay for it?

Originally Posted by Dimnos

I have to agree with Kahl. The difference between the people who ration out care under Obamacare vs the ones at insurance companies is irrelevant. Hell if anything the fact it will be rationed out by the government means they will be less worried about making the company a profit. Which means your probably more likely to get covered. You see Medicare/Medicaid already exist and already have government employees who determine whether or not you get covered. Guess what. They cover people who are never going to get better. People who will never get well enough to hold down a job. People who will never be "contributing members of society". Are they left to their fate denied medical aid and coverage? No. Simply no. I still say to call it a "death panel" is a grotesque misconception.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I don't believe it's flawed, just under funded, and I agree, it is badly managed but these things can be fixed. It shouldn't be taken away, just improved upon and then expanded to compete with private insurers to force them to lower their prices while also mandating that they cannot deny care if one pays into the plan.

If anything this will force insurance companies to up their prices just so they can survive against a government agency. If they are losing customers to cheaper government coverage and are forced to pay out more money on every little thing people claim on, they are going to go under really fucking fast.

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Healthcare fixed. Next.

Yes. Because anything involving the government and big business is ever that simple. (There isnt an emoticon to convey how much I laughed are you stupidity. I damn near pissed my pants)

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Very Simple. How old are you again? And why don't you know this yet?

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Call it names, yes (very mature), but disprove it, no.

Wait? What?

Originally Posted by Dimnos

If you want to a tool fine but please quit being a hypocrite at least.

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

If you want to be a tool fine but please quit being a hypocrite at least.

Agreed.

Unfortunately, if I said this it would get ignored. Maybe you'll have better luck?

:notcountingonit

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I hope you learned your lesson. You should read things before you start paying into them. Speaking of which...did you read the Healthcare bill? It's only 3000 pages long.

Did I hit a nerve?

Switched off a plan you shouldn't have agreed to in the first place....go on...

The original question was "Does the new Obamacare Health bill contain Death Panels? "

The answer is yes. A commission of 11 government officials will head the commission and proactively deny you and others the care that they are entitled to. Worse then anything before.

This is how it works, Take notes,

The for-profit deregulated insurance companies will command the Government Officials who work on the Death Boards to find out reason to deny you certain costly procedures. Once denied, the for-profit insurance companies will just refer to the death panels to why they are denying you and your family.

Very Simple. How old are you again? And why don't you know this yet?

I don't believe it's flawed, just under funded, and I agree, it is badly managed but these things can be fixed. It shouldn't be taken away, just improved upon and then expanded to compete with private insurers to force them to lower their prices while also mandating that they cannot deny care if one pays into the plan.

Healthcare fixed. Next.

I'll just take that as a "No" you can't disprove it. Call it names, yes (very mature), but disprove it, no.

OH NO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT SO I AM GOING TO TRY TO MAKE FUN OF COLONEL FLAGG AND KEEP ACTING LIKE I AM RIGHT MAYBE IF I KEEP IT UP I WON'T BE WRONG ANYMORE