On Healthcare in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by VinceZeb

For the people that think the government could do health care well: Wow. If you do not realize that government will fuck up a 2 car funeral, then there is something wrong with you.

As this is an opinion, I have no need to address it.

It is not the government's job to be "fair", "compassionate", or "kind". Our US government is supposed to protect the rights of the citizens, to protect our borders, and to help the country in dire situations. Granny Jones wanting to go to her bingo games every wed and fri instead of paying for her medicine out of her pocket is not my view of a "dire" situation.

The government's jobs are varied. Healthcare could easily be adopted to fit under one of it's priorities. Futhermore, if Granny cannot pay for her medicine, or if it would take up all of her saving so that she could retire, it would have more drastic effects than just bingo night.

If the government starts dolling out free medicine, medicine prices will rise because people will start demanding whatever they want, becuase they do not "pay" for it.

No. The government only pays for what you need - it doesn't pay for your vitamins and diet pills. Think of what insurance covers, and you'll probably get a similar list. A list somewhat bigger and full of absolutes (no you pay $10, they pay $50 stuff), but similar none-the-less.

Second, healthcare would not be free. As I have mentioned numerous times, it would be paid for by taxes.

I mean, where the fuck did personal responability go in this country? Many of us choose not to have health insurance just because they do not want it. We would make and keep more money on average if we could get the money our employeer would pay for our health coverage and then we would go out and look for our own insurance.

It's still a responsibility, just a group one rather than individual. So I fail to see your point.

Healthcare is not a right. Sorry, folks, but you have the "right" of life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness and property. Those are the rights you are born with. Healthcare, no matter how much the Hildabeast sits there and screams about it, is not something you should have for being human. Our ancestors didn't, so why the fuck should it be required for me?

It doesn't have to be a right for it to be a more efficient system. My main argument is not for the poor, but that on the whole, it would be a cheaper system.

Nice little quote from Professor Gary Galles of Pepperdine University

“How can there possibly be liberty and justice for all, when, in the name of justice, people claim rights to income, food, housing, education, health care, transportation, ad infinitum? We can't. Positive rights to receive such things, absent an obligation to earn them, must violate others' liberty, by taking some of their income without their consent. They are really just wishes, convertible into benefits for some only by employing the government to violate others' rights not to have what is theirs taken."

This isn't about rights. See my above point. If it's cheaper for you anyway, then I don't see the problem. If you don't pay for healthcare, you better pray you don't get in an accident. If you're a B.G. type person, a minor tax increase will not kill your business. In fact, you might make off like a bandit since you won't need to provide insurance for your employees.