Abortion

[Raven]

Originally Posted by AChimp

Huh? First you said DNA is the bad way, so go to chromosomes. Now chromosomes are bad to your point of view in certain cases, so let's go back to DNA. Make up your mind before you start talking, buddy. When you say "let's use logic!" that doesn't mean resort to fuzzy logic or changing your story when the debate goes against you.

No first I said DNA was the improbable way. Than you rightly corrected me and said it was the impractical way. This does not make it bad. Merely unusable. So perhaps we should my "fuzzy" logic, verses your "twist" of logic?

Originally Posted by AChimp

The being is human in appearance, and shares the physical properties of humans, nothing more. Sentience and self-awareness and intellect to separate humans from any other animal, which we have no qualms about killing regularly.

There is no scientific proof that a fetus in the first stages of development has any kind of higher brain activity whatsoever that could be construed as part of sentience.

As such neither is there evidence towards it actually existance. Or is it nothing more than a glossy coating developed to express are higher evolutionary stand-point? For every theory in science a mathematical equation can always be draw somehow. Show me how sentience can have one. Or is sentience nothing more than a battle of semantics?

Originally Posted by AChimp

In the first stages of development, the cells in a blastocyst are all operating on their own, merely replicating themselves. They are not operating in tandem. They're simply doing what all cells do.

And if I'm correct the blastocyst actually becomes part of the fetus.

Originally Posted by AChimp

Again, why should we allow all these unwanted children to enter the world just because you feel it's a good way to prove a point? You said it youself a few lines later, "unwanted children are a tragedy."

No shit people are still gonna fuck all the time no matter what we tell them. We tell people that it's wrong to commit murder, and yet it still happens.

Knock knock? We live in a free society, so there's no such thing as a complete deterent.

Because do not bring the children into this world would be denying them their basic human rights. Of course they are going to fuck, but maybe they will actually use intelligence and be more careful. Or better yet gain responsibility and take care of their foolish mistakes. I never said it would be a complete deterent.

Originally Posted by FS

Whenever I try to put down my thoughts on abortion, I always end up with hypocrisy and explanations that go nowhere. Simply put, I consider abortion the lesser of two evils, the other being exposing a child to a world that doesn't want it. Brief pain, of which the child is hopefully unaware, compared to a myriad of possible traumatic lives. Don't get me wrong, this doesn't still my conscience. And I pray that I will never be the cause of need for an abortion.

But these myriad of tragic lives could also as easily include quite a bit of happiness. Or they could as easily be mostly happiness. It is all in essence speculation. As I have known, and I'm sure you have as well, people who were put in such situations. Some adopted, some taken care of by their actually parents. Some turned out well, others did not. Its all a matter of circumstance.

Originally Posted by FS

Damn! I must kill 15 million people a day. Sometimes twice!

If that's all you're killing, than I think you should get it checked out. That's a very low sperm count.