Abortion

[AChimp]

No first I said DNA was the improbable way. Than you rightly corrected me and said it was the impractical way. This does not make it bad. Merely unusable. So perhaps we should my "fuzzy" logic, verses your "twist" of logic

Right, so since we can't use DNA since it's impractical to make sure everything is human.

And we can't use chromosomes, because horror-of-horrors, if there's a mutation then it won't even remotely count as human "in essence" since the numbers don't match up.

Dude, if you are going somewhere with this train of thought, speak up because the track just keeps going round and round and round...

As such neither is there evidence towards it actually existance. Or is it nothing more than a glossy coating developed to express are higher evolutionary stand-point? For every theory in science a mathematical equation can always be draw somehow. Show me how sentience can have one. Or is sentience nothing more than a battle of semantics?

No proof of sentience? There are whole branches of science that rely on positivism for the most part, like pschology, and these areas are the ones where we don't have the technology or knowledge to make precise measurements.

When you're typing your response, think about what you're doing? Can you feel the keyboard? Are you aware that your fingers are moving? That's sentience.

And where are all these thoughts taking place? In your brain, and I assume you have one, which brings me to my next point...

And if I'm correct the blastocyst actually becomes part of the fetus.

Yeah, and in the first 8 weeks of pregnancy THERE IS NO BRAIN. The cells are still differentiating themselves. Some are turning into heart cells, kidney cells, nerve cells, but there's still no chunk of cells that can be positively identified as a brain.

In fact, scientists can only measure the beginnings of a recognizable brain in Week 3 of the embryonic stages... 11 weeks after conception! Even then, the level of sophistication in the brain isn't much more than basic nerve centre. Plenty of animals just have brains that can be defined this way, and we don't grant them any special rights based on whether or not they are sentient, because evidently they are not.

It's not until Week 5 when various lobes begin to become apparent in the brain, but add them up... 11 + 2 = 13 weeks... The first trimester ends at Week 12.

Because do not bring the children into this world would be denying them their basic human rights. Of course they are going to fuck, but maybe they will actually use intelligence and be more careful. Or better yet gain responsibility and take care of their foolish mistakes. I never said it would be a complete deterent.

Tut tut, Raven, don't jump to conclusions. We still haven't proved what it means to be human. Since there's very little to no brain in the first trimester, there's no thought. You know what they say: no brain, no pain. There's no basis for ascribing rights willy-nilly.

However, I am still disturbed by your desire to use unwanted children as an example for others. What kind of quality of life would they enjoy? And what is to prevent the unwanted children from not caring (just look around, there's tons of 'em) and not fucking and having even MORE unwanted children? There are too many Ifs and Maybes and optimism in your plan.