Kevin/ Democratic Party

[The_Rorschach]

"Look even at the Republican Party. Would you say the current administration stands for the ideals of the party of Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, and Eisenhower?"

Well, my understanding of Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Lincoln are somewhat different than yours. Lincoln didn't liberate blacks to make them American citizens, he originally planned to send as many as possible back to Africa. He realized, in the face of the Industrial Revolution, that slave labour would become obsolete and adherring to it would be counter-productive to America. Roosevelt was a bit of a demogogue, but he was as much heartfelt as hotheaded. While he was certainly a statesman, he was better suited as Secretary of the Navy than President. As for Eisenhower. . .He was a demogague and a fool as well. He had quite a bit to contribute towards making the reputation of the US internationally tarnished, from his handling or Iran to the general direction he pointed the CIA.

The Republican party's problem, as I see it, is that it has no belief structure, and are reduced to clutching at individual issues. Even as the Democratic party was spawned from Jefferson's Democratic-Republic Party, the Republicans are the bastard child of the Whig and Know-Nothings. A muliplicity of conflicting ideals over time has amalgamated into party's which are both opproutunistic and purely political.

Does Bush represent his party? No, but then, neither did MacArthur who the Republican's put up in 1948. The Republicans, as well as Democrats, have a tendancy to nominate individuals based not on their personal qualifications, but on their likelyhood to be elected and therefore give the party that much more clout.

Kelly, really, your input is almost never necessary.

"He wasn't so generous during the down times of the Depression. Try reading up on some of the scabs he took in which broke the union lines or some of the thugs he hired to keep picket lines and job seekers away from the doors of his River Rouge Plant. Technical and financial accomplishment notwithstanding, the man on a personal level was an ass."

You obviously know nothing about 'the man' himself. He took in scabs because he realized that the strike in question would have crippled his corporation and the last thing the Depression needed was yet another failed corporation with national influence. Had he catered to the strike, he would have closed his doors from Chicago to Detroit within a year.

Secondly, Rome learned the hard way never to trust a seemingly complacent mob. At River Rouge, Ford merely paid attention to the lessons taught in history. You might do well to do the same.

"Try flaming anti-semite who financed a whole paper around his bigotry. He was obsessed with it."

'Whole paper?' Try a book, and one which was quoted often by Hitler himself. I've quoted from it myself. As for being an anti-semite, well, I've been called one too and I don't bother to contest it. Question Israel, and you'll be labelled an Anti-Semite too. I couldn't possibly care less about his personal opinions of other races and nationalities. He was loyal to America to the point where he produced the highest quality planes with standards set by Charles Lindbergh during World War 2 even with the knowledge they would be used against a nation which he openly supported, at least ideaologically.