Frist endorses ban on gay marriages.

[Vibecrewangel]

so I say again, what is wrong with civil unions being used for gay or straight people, and religious/whatever marriages being used for traditional purposes.

I'm telling you right now that if you want to win this debate nationally you have to drop the word 'marriage.' That is all.


And I gave you MY definition of marriage. I tried to leave all religion, historical, etc references out of it. It sounds to me as if you are denying the religious foundations of the American version of the institution of marriage. I'm not really up for history lessons today, but maybe later.

Actually, and maybe I missed it, the reason I kept asking the question about straight non-religious people is precisly because I didn't see you say "what is wrong with civil unions being used for gay or straight people, and religious/whatever marriages being used for traditional purposes."

Civil unions are marriages.
Common law marriages are marriages.
Religious marriages are marriages.
Peanut butter and jelly on my sandwich is a marriage.

I think the religious nuts need to get over themselves and the belief that they have special rights. Especially rights over a word.

And to be sure, I was not denying the religious foundation. I was pointing out that you were using it on one hand but denying it on the other. I know it is there. I also know it has changed. It should continue to change and adapt as out society continues to grow and change.