Bush LIED!!! He LIED!!!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Preechr

Partisan connotes rabid, thoughtless agreeance to me, and I don't generally support that. Maybe you are thinking of the term that describes a fervent soldier for a righteous cause, but I hear unreasoning, unthoughtful, blind allegiance. I know you aren't giving up your right to independent thought, so I'm gonna stop splitting that hair... I'll just know what that word means when you say it from now on...

I think someone who walks into a voting booth, votes for who or what they believe in, even if it means transcending their Party line, is acting in a partisan fashion. I see no problem having a partisan President or House, just as long as the "other" Party serves as a check against their actions. I, like Max, am the proverbial "checks and balances" kind of guy. I don't mind extreme ideas, I do however mind abusing the system to stifle oposition (ex: I have serious problems with the way we redistrict, and even more problems with the trend in "re-redistricting." I think it screws Democrats and Republicans, and is in need of reform).

Nit-picking every little detail and constantly having these gloom and doom predictions proven wrong is just marginalizing the voice of the left. If anything ever actually turns up that really makes Team W look bad, Joe Six Pack is going to be so sick of baseless accusations your real dirt's gonna get ignored. Why fight a losing battle over Iraq when there's a mountain of actual winnable fights back here?

I think it's this dismissive attitude over Iraq that will serve to enrage "Joe Six Pack." If there's one things Americans hate more than public deception, it's probably a condescending dismissal of the cause of said deception.

You guys are stuck crying "Wolf-owitz" at every little turn in the road to building a better Bagdhad because W is just a God-fearin' Texas Clinton (without the head in pants syndrome) when it comes to taxing and spending and growing government.

A growing government for all of the wrong reasons at that.

Once again, condescension may serve to be a down fall. I, like many others, think it might be worth knowing why Wolfowitz (or as he claims, one of his staffers) drew up a plan to topple Iraq before 9/11. Americans might be interested in knowing why there was an increase in air patrols and bombings near the south of Iraq, even as early as the Fall of 2001, shortly after 9/11. Americans might be curious as to why Gen. Wesley Clark would be asked to link 9/11 to Iraq on 9/11 (or was it 9/12?).

I think these are valid foreign policy questions, in connection to the laundry list of falsifications and bogus leads on the WMD. Some Americans just might be interested in knowing.....perhaps yourself excluded.

Let’s NOT repeat falsehoods like “The Biggest Deficit Ever” because we all know that deficits are only valid when viewed as a percentage of GNP… and we don’t want to look like a bunch of partisans now, do we? Especially when there’s so much other GOOD stuff to talk about…

A deficit that was estimated to be at $80 billion in 2002 seems to be "GOOD stuff" to me.

And perhaps you mean GDP??? Forgive me, I'm no economics wizard, but I believe you are referencing for example the deficits Reagan faced, but were counted in GDP.....? Reagan, unlike Bush, had the insight to realize he'd need to raise taxes in order to deal with the deficit, thus altering his own tax cut plan.

I personally WANT the Democratic Party to get back on track and resume their quest for a Socialist Paradise in these 50 states. Not because I share those desires (hardly,) but because that’s gotta happen, along with the Republican Party’s shift to the left, to make room for MY agenda reaching the teeming masses. Hehe…

I think too many ex-socialists turned neo-cons hold power in the Republican Party for it to go as far Left as you anticipate, although I'm sure your perception of a Leftist is far more different (and maybe far more frightening) than my own.

I also think it's an unfair stereotype to call the Democratic platform a quest for "socialist paradise". We should avoid sweeping generalizations such as these, lest we come across as a blind partisan, no???