Philosophical background for freedom.

[The One and Only...]

http://www.riskyreading.org/download...%20Liberty.swf

[mburbank]

I don't know. That link just seems to risky to me somehow.

[Protoclown]

I decided to risk it, and it was pretty gay. Those stick figures did have some sexy hourglass figures though. And the music is fucking hilarious.

[ranxer]

hey, thats not a bad philisophical look at why we need to revoke the corporate charter.. corporations should not have more rights than people EVER.

[The One and Only...]

Except, you know, they don't.

And the music is pretty gay, which is why you need to turn down your speakers before you watch it.

[ranxer]

they don't?!

hmm, so the stories about companies sueing whole states, or countries for enforcing environmental laws that cost the corps money are just made up huh?

you think its ok for a corp to pollute the water(for example) then when a people sue for the cessation of the pollution the corp counter sues for business losses and the tax payers bail them out... is that not happening?

[The One and Only...]

That's nothing considering the inequalities of progressive taxation.

I highly doubt those corporations actually have the legal right to pollute the water that much anyway.

Besides, government pollutes more than corporations ever have. Look up soveirgn (sp?) immunity.

[ranxer]

That's nothing considering the inequalities of progressive taxation

bah thats baloney, er why so?

the corporate charter shields the people who run it from direct suit often enough.. where there's a loophole somebody finds it to cut a corner for profits.

Besides, government pollutes more than corporations ever have

gov'ments almost a subset of business at this point.. what with outsourcing and all, that reminds me to contribute to ban land mines www.icbl.org

but theres lots of problems with freedom from government, but, if you think you don't like the governments policies i ask who do you think is dictating the majority of policies? the people? or a wealthy
minority hiding behind corporate shields?

are you one these people that are so anti-government you're somehow pro big business?

[The One and Only...]

I'm pro free market, which in leftie rhetoric, is pro big business.

The free market provides a much more efficient allocation of resources than the government does.

[ranxer]

so you think we should be against regulation?
i'm with those that predict that a free market without a solid set of sustainable rules will be a boom and bust.. winner take all race to the bottom.

when you say free market, do you mean freedom to pollute, exploit and steal resources? who should regulate those problems, no-one? you trust walmart to regulate itself? or you think consumers will wake up and pay more to shop for a more sustainable product?

the free market doesnt follow your 'freedom' toon that you linked either. the 'free market' that bush is supporting is propped up by the military industrial complex.. we have troops guarding nearly every pipeline and industrial complex in central and south america.. asia and the middle east.. you think that is a 'free market'?

how about state department officials 'recommending' business contacts and leaning on whole countries for deals? is that freedom for the people? or freedom for the imperialists?

how about the freedom to employ prison labor in america? i think thats where they are getting these numbers of employment growth.. inmate labor is a booming job market.

[The One and Only...]

Freedom to pollute? Emission rights would clear this up.

Exploit and steal resources? I don't think theft is legal, but if you own the land, you can do what you want on it.

I'm not talking about Bush.

Outsourcing jobs is usually more efficient, although no-bid contracts are much less so.

Never heard of hiring inmates. I'd have to find out more about it. I do support using inmates to work on public works, however.

[Perndog]

I just thought I'd say this...

You have an awful lot to say about economics for someone who's not old enough to have a regular job.

Theory vs. practice.