15 british navy PERSONNEL captured

[KevinTheOmnivore]

"I'm just sayin the parrellel between israel soldiers captured by hezbollah inside the border of lebanon is too much similiar to the recent capturing of brits personnel. How do you know it's not a common military strategical method used by the west to deliberate allow their own people to get caught by the enemies and use it as provacation to strike them in order to further the west's agenda?"

Because you have no proof, no argument and no clue. What parallel are you friggin talking about? What makes you believe kidnapping is somehow this unique thing in the Middle East? Do you even bother to read a book, or fuck ,just read Wikipedia or something? Try it out, as opposed to believing every bullshit conspiracy site you come across.

Your argument is beyond absurd, because not only does it imply some nefarious planning on the part of the West (for both incidents), but it also implies complicity on the part of Hezbollah and Iran for their respective kidnappings! In your Candy Land mind, this is all political theater, with the one and only true bad guy being America and Jews. Get a fucking clue.

"It's taken tony blair too long to come up with proof that brits were in iraqi waters so why are you more likely to believe he is telling the truth than the iranians are?"

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!? See, now you post all of this crap that you expect us to waste our time reading from shitty sources, but when everyone else begins a discussion, you ignore it.

Read the Bloomberg article. Read over what all of the adults in this thread are talking about. Blair has plainly stated that he has withheld info due to its sensitive nature. What proof has Iran put forth, other than claiming that the Brits "confessed" to spying...?

"We know that the us has drawn up plans to invade iran and overthrow the government 10 years ago, if you would understand the document written by kristol himself, instead of dismissing it as spam and stupid article then it would make for easier predictions."

Nations plan a lot of things. The Army War College has conducted war game scenarios on Iran, and we have ships conducting war games now. It's called planning. Now Geggy, if you have some proof that the U.S./Britain/Israel are staging this kidnapping in order to implement a documented plan, well by all means, present this to us. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

[Geggy]

I already knew the kidnappings in the middle east has been going on for a long time. And that's your best proof you have, tony blair classifying info because of it's sensitive nature? In other sense you have no real proof.

http://newamericancentury.org/Rebuil...asDefenses.pdf

I've posted this link too many times but I doubt anyone has bothered to read the whole thing because it's too long. Chapter 5 is probably the most revealing but read the whole thing as you can see it is clearly happening now.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

No, a publication put out by a think tank is not a plan by the United States government. That's the proof I want.

"And that's your best proof you have, tony blair classifying info because of it's sensitive nature? In other sense you have no real proof"

He isn't "classifying" anything, you idiot. The British government is playing nice with a thug, and they are making themselves look weak as a result. I trust the word of Tony Blair over a religious tyrant in the Ayatollah and his puppets, but you choose to believe in the latter. That's your deal, and is probably rooted in your anti-semitism (notice how you jumped to include Israeli involvment in this whole matter?).

So here's what we'll do--Blair is taking this issue to the UN, where he is likely to divulge more info regarding the kidnappings. When that happens, and it become clear that PNAC and the tooth fairy didn't stage this whole event, I expect you to come back here and apologize. Will you do that?

[Geggy]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

No, a publication put out by a think tank is not a plan by the United States government. That's the proof I want.

You're right, they're not technically the us government but many of the members of PNAC have jobs or, at least used to, with the US government which was one of the reasons it made it easier for PNAC to implement their plans to overthrow undesired soveriegnity governments, including Iraq and Iran, and install those who would comply with their plans to provide security and stability, to militarize space, and to form one world governemnt. You can't deny the group has heavy influence on US's policy decision making. Many of them may have left their post from the us government but I'm skeptical that PNAC iis on the decline. They're probably currently remaining intact and more secretive, since too many people are well aware of the group and their plans. I don't see how it is inane to assume along with the naval build up by the US and britian, that they're setting up their own people and the iranians for the kidnappings to occur and use it as the provacation to further PNAC's plans. I'm not saying anything the iranians are doing is legal, because their tactics are becoming common and predictable, why not for the west to take advantage of the situation?

The British government is playing nice with a thug, and they are making themselves look weak as a result. I trust the word of Tony Blair over a religious tyrant in the Ayatollah and his puppets, but you choose to believe in the latter. That's your deal, and is probably rooted in your anti-semitism (notice how you jumped to include Israeli involvment in this whole matter?).

Either way because of the naval build up by the us and brits on the gulf of iran which may appear as a threat to the iranians, can you blame them for the kidnappings? Surely the US would have done the same if it was the other way around, that if iran was building up along the coast of either atlantic or pacific ocean. What do you think of the videos in which three or so of the british personnels who have confessed being in the iranian waters and apologize? Do you think it's legit or are they trying to weasel their way out of the hole by complying with the irnaians? At least to me their confessions are more believable than khalid sheikh mohammad's confession since it wasn't videotaped and aired to the public for them to see.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Geggy

You're right, they're not technically the us government but many of the members of PNAC have jobs or, at least used to, with the US government which was one of the reasons it made it easier for PNAC to implement their plans to overthrow undesired soveriegnity governments, including Iraq and Iran, and install those who would comply with their plans to provide security and stability, to militarize space, and to form one world governemnt.

Which page is that in the document? Could you point it out to me? Thanks.

You can't deny the group has heavy influence on US's policy decision making.

Uhh, yeah, I can do it pretty easily. You make a pretty poor case for it to begin with, and you've otherwise provided no solid argument that they are anything more than a dumb think tank. That's all they are.

I don't see how it is inane to assume along with the naval build up by the US and britian, that they're setting up their own people and the iranians for the kidnappings to occur and use it as the provacation to further PNAC's plans.

Well let me tell you how it's inane:

1. You have absolutely NO proof that this is what they've done, and infact admit to it later on in your post.

2. You have yet to show us where PNAC even states these plans; and

3. Your middle friggin name is INANE. Not only does your argument have no credibility, but YOU have absolutely no credibility here. If you think your arguments are so damn sound, you had better do a better job of supportin them.

Either way because of the naval build up by the us and brits on the gulf of iran which may appear as a threat to the iranians, can you blame them for the kidnappings?

Ok, so here you drop your silly attempt to turn this into a ridiculous conspiracy, and simply show your allegiance to all things anti-American.

YES, I can blame them for it, because it violates international law if they took them in Iraqi waters. The British had been doing those routine sweeps, under UN approval, for months. This was a premeditated attempt to create an international incident, and you damn well know it.

Surely the US would have done the same if it was the other way around, that if iran was building up along the coast of either atlantic or pacific ocean.

But that hasn't happened, in fact this was a violation of international law against the BRITISH, so let's try to focus champ.

What do you think of the videos in which three or so of the british personnels who have confessed being in the iranian waters and apologize? Do you think it's legit or are they trying to weasel their way out of the hole by complying with the irnaians?[

I first off think it's hysterical that a dumbass such as you, who doesnt trust video footage of Osama Bin Laden, and who thinks video footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 is altered by the government, takes these video confessions at face value. it just goes to show that all your talk about being a "truth seeker" is simply cowardice and a show to cover up what's nothing more than good old fashioned anti-Americanism. You hate your country, and will take the word of ANYBODY else over them.

And speaking of cowardice, I'd love to see how you wet your pants in the situation those sailors are in, while you try to "weasel" your way out in order to "comply" with the Iranians. I'd give you about 10 seconds before you went native and were praising Allah, you little toad.

NO, I don't pay any credence to those confessions. I disregard them, just as I disregard 99.9% of the things you say.

At least to me their confessions are more believable than khalid sheikh mohammad's confession since it wasn't videotaped and aired to the public for them to see.

You are a moron.

[Ant10708]

I love how everyone mentions the US and our government policies as if we were actually directly involved in this incident



TOTAL SETUP BY THE US AND BRITISH ON THEIR OWN TROOPS

[KevinTheOmnivore]

So the 15 sailors will thankfully be released tomorrow.

So Geggy, I'm a little confused about a couple of things...

If this incident was staged by "The West," why are these sailors being released? Where's the invasion? Where's the Gulf of Tonkin?

Also, if this was truly just the Iranians protecting their coastline, why are they releasing these Brits now that they're getting access to five Iranian "diplomats" being held in Iraq? Any connection? What say you, oh truth seeker?

[Geggy]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

I first off think it's hysterical that a dumbass such as you, who doesnt trust video footage of Osama Bin Laden, and who thinks video footage of the Pentagon on 9/11 is altered by the government, takes these video confessions at face value. it just goes to show that all your talk about being a "truth seeker" is simply cowardice and a show to cover up what's nothing more than good old fashioned anti-Americanism. You hate your country, and will take the word of ANYBODY else over them.

Oh yeah, look who's talking. Youre willing to believe in everything the us government says to you otherwise you'd be in fear of considering yourself as anti-american if you ever accuse anyone in the government of lying. Only your narrow view would think the bush administration represents all of amrerica.

I started to lean more on the fact the video may be propaganda once I found out recently that it was aired to the public with no sound. I hadn't had any idea in the first place. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

And speaking of cowardice, I'd love to see how you wet your pants in the situation those sailors are in, while you try to "weasel" your way out in order to "comply" with the Iranians. I'd give you about 10 seconds before you went native and were praising Allah, you little toad.

Can you explain why did video showed these sailors all smiling and shit like they were on taking a vacation away from their duties in iraq? It's almost impossible for anyone to behave that way if they were under duress and had a gun held to their heads unless they were injected with cheap us branded sedatives.

NO, I don't pay any credence to those confessions. I disregard them, just as I disregard 99.9% of the things you say.

Well that's your problem then.