NCAA 2008 season thread

[WhiteRat]

All the people that cry and whine for poor Utah need to get over it. Going undefeated is a tough thing to do and I give Utah credit for that, but do you really think they are the BEST team in college football? They beat Alabama, but even Glen Coffee will admit that they took them lightly. Aside from a 1 point loss to an Ole Miss team that thumped Texas Tech, Florida has played the best football nearly all year. They absolutely destroyed everyone they played in the regular season after the Rebel loss.

Utah deserves the number 2 spot in my eyes. I just can't believe for the life of me that they are the BEST team in the nation right now. When it comes down to it, the Mountain West is not the SEC or the Big 12. Some of those teams had nice seasons, but I just can't get past the conference Utah plays in.

As for the BCS is concerned, a playoff would be great but the reality is that we don't have one right now. The BCS is what we have to deal with, so "boycotting" the game because the feel good team wasn't in it is ridiculous.

[pac-man]

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

Aside from a 1 point loss to an Ole Miss team that thumped Texas Tech, Florida has played the best football nearly all year.

This is all it comes down to for me, WR. They lost, Utah didn't. Why settle for this broken system? I'm not boycotting anything sports related (well, football related at least) but we shouldn't have to settle. The Russian hockey team was supposed to beat the US team in the 84 Olympics. The Patriots were no. 1 in everybody's power rankings all last season; if the NFL had a BCS, the Giants would've been in one of the "dot com" bowl games. The Devil Rays might as well as not even taken the field last season, because there was no way in hell they were going to beat out the Yankees and Red Sox, right?

Football isn't figure skating. What you, me, or any observer (or computer) thinks should be moot at the end of the day. The sportswriters have split the title before in the BCS era, and they were wrong not to do it this year. The BCS is a spit in the face of every athlete, coach, and fan of teams outside their big money conferences.

I take nothing away from Florida or any championship team in the BCS era. Tebow is as great as advertised. He could certainly lead them to a win over Utah, USC, or Texas. So I guess my bitch would be that I'm missing out on watching him do it.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

As for the BCS is concerned, a playoff would be great but the reality is that we don't have one right now. The BCS is what we have to deal with, so "boycotting" the game because the feel good team wasn't in it is ridiculous.

Well and good, but I'll be damned if I participate in giving the BCS championship any ratings when I no longer believe in the system as it is. I will watch the bowl games I think will be good, but if it determines the championship***** (that's one astrisk for each team that deserved a shot at it in the first place kids) I will not bother because it was a total fraud this year. Far too many teams have cause to bitch that they should have had a shot. That is a fundamentally flawed system, and "it's what we got" is a cop out. It will always be "what we got" till we stop looking at it. I think all the complaining doesn't work, but I am willing to bet a 1 share in the TV ratings would get their attention, and more importantly, the attention of the sponsors.

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

The pressure is on the BCS more and more each year and I can realistically see a playoff forming in the next 5 years. I just do not want to see the current bowl system done away with. I think the top 8 BCS teams should complete in a playoff while the existing bowl system would apply to the rest of the bowl eligible teams. I get frustrated as well as to me it seems like they could so easily implement a playoff system as early as next year, but the old coots are too stuck in their ways.

I agree with all of that except the 8 BCS teams, maybe 6 BCS teams and 2 at large bids from any division for the tourney. Heck the 4 games in the first round could even be the BCS bowls so the tradition stays alive.

Utah deserved a shot, they did everything required of them and even beat Bama into a stupor. It doesn't matter that Bama didn't take them seriously, the fact is if they were as superior to Utah as they thought they were they would have gotten it together and mounted a comeback by the 2nd half, but they didn't because to quote Dennis Green, "They are who we thought they were!"

As for the SEC being the be all/end all of college football quality, they are not. Every freaking season, they schedule cream puffs in preseason, then the 2 best teams smack the tar out of the rest of the league while everyone below the top two beat each other senselessly and that crap circus is mistaken for parity. Honestly, look at the SEC preseason schedule. Their toughest opponents? Hawaii, UCLA, Miami, and Louisville. Are you kidding me? John Cooper's OSU preseason thinks that is a cream puff schedule.

[WhiteRat]

Originally Posted by Pentegarn

Well and good, but I'll be damned if I participate in giving the BCS championship any ratings when I no longer believe in the system as it is. I will watch the bowl games I think will be good, but if it determines the championship***** (that's one astrisk for each team that deserved a shot at it in the first place kids) I will not bother because it was a total fraud this year. Far too many teams have cause to bitch that they should have had a shot. That is a fundamentally flawed system, and "it's what we got" is a cop out. It will always be "what we got" till we stop looking at it. I think all the complaining doesn't work, but I am willing to bet a 1 share in the TV ratings would get their attention, and more importantly, the attention of the sponsors.

So you want people to just look away? Before the BCS, you had multiple national champions in any given year, and people still watched. You act like the BCS has ruined football. It's really not that different than what was there before. People didn't cry and boycott then, so to suggest that we all take up arms and turn off the boob tube is laughable. People get so worked up over the BCS that I think they fail to realize that at the end of the day, it's just only damn football.

I take it you didn't watch last year's title game then?

I agree with all of that except the 8 BCS teams, maybe 6 BCS teams and 2 at large bids from any division for the tourney.

Agreed. I meant to say use the BCS rankings to determine the 8 playoff teams period.

As for the SEC being the be all/end all of college football quality, they are not.

When did I say that? Sounds like someone still has a bitter taste in their mouth. Freudian slip?

By the way, you might want to add Clemsonx2, NC State, Wake Forestx2, Texas, Georgia Tech, Arizona State, and West Virginia to the SEC non-conference schedule.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

So you want people to just look away? Before the BCS, you had multiple national champions in any given year, and people still watched. You act like the BCS has ruined football. It's really not that different than what was there before. People didn't cry and boycott then, so to suggest that we all take up arms and turn off the boob tube is laughable. People get so worked up over the BCS that I think they fail to realize that at the end of the day, it's just only damn football.

I take it you didn't watch last year's title game then?

I watched last years Title game, and it was a fraud too, once I saw this, I decided it was time to stop giving them ratings. Will I make a difference? Probably not, but if I do nothing, I am part of the problem. Heck, pre BCS at least it was a big open debate and there were multiple polls that would reflect that. While it was just as pointless, it didn't pretend to be effective either. The BCS acts like they are a flawless system, and the people that created it are quite myopic about it.

Let me explain it another way, if I choose to kill my sleep schedule, I want it to be over something I think is worth my time. (The Fiesta Bowl regardless of the heart breaker ending was worth watching for example) But I felt the BCS championchip was so crapped out that I finally see it does not need to be looked at for me anymore when I can get a good 8 hours of shut-eye instead.

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

When did I say that? Sounds like someone still has a bitter taste in their mouth. Freudian slip?

You didn't say that and I wasn't implying you did. My SEC rant was a seperate rant outside of anything you said, just something that has always stuck in my craw.

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

By the way, you might want to add Clemsonx2, NC State, Wake Forestx2, Texas, Georgia Tech, Arizona State, and West Virginia to the SEC non-conference schedule.

I'll admit I missed those, but look at most of those games and you'll see my point stands about the SEC being overrated. The conference lost well over half those games. The media ignores this though which I find rather baffling.

[WhiteRat]

Originally Posted by Pentegarn

I watched last years Title game, and it was a fraud too, once I saw this, I decided it was time to stop giving them ratings. Will I make a difference? Probably not, but if I do nothing, I am part of the problem. Heck, pre BCS at least it was a big open debate and there were multiple polls that would reflect that. While it was just as pointless, it didn't pretend to be effective either. The BCS acts like they are a flawless system, and the people that created it are quite myopic about it.

I hope you enjoy watching pool on Espn2 next January.

Let me explain it another way, if I choose to kill my sleep schedule, I want it to be over something I think is worth my time. (The Fiesta Bowl regardless of the heart breaker ending was worth watching for example) But I felt the BCS championchip was so crapped out that I finally see it does not need to be looked at for me anymore when I can get a good 8 hours of shut-eye instead.

Instead of pouting you could of watched a very entertaining football game between two Heisman winners, but hey, sometimes you gotta take a stand, right?


I'll admit I missed those, but look at most of those games and you'll see my point stands about the SEC being overrated. The conference lost well over half those games. The media ignores this though which I find rather baffling.[/quote]

Agreed. The SEC is not the end all of college football, I'll agree with you on that. In fact, I hate every BCS teams except Ole Miss and Miss State.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

I hope you enjoy watching pool on Espn2 next January.

At least they give everyone who deserves it a shot at their championship. It would be a lot less fraudulent thing to watch in January I would dare say

[WhiteRat]

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