Moscow Metro suicide bombings

[Ant10708]

"I stopped reading your post after this part because you obviously don’t understand anything that I’ve written."

That is a great way to get people to re-read your posts.

[Ant10708]

Oh and Coolinator. We are trying to have a fucking discussion and your dumbass is distracting everyone from what is an interesting thread on terrorism. I don't even know why kahl is talking about horror movies as if thats what people mean by causing terror among the population and I assume its because of your stupid ass.

What is the definition of is. Is all i think about when people debate what is terrorism. Fly a plane into IRS building = terrorism. fly a plane into twin towers = terrorism. blow yourself up on a train, subway, whatever with the aim to kill as many civilians as possible is terrorism. You don't want to call it terrorism thats fine. As if the word to describe these people really matters. The fact is these people have no respect for human life and their idea of resistance fighting doesn't have much of a place in the modern world. And I don't know how any educated person brought up in a western country could ever try to defend their actions by claiming they are fighting oppression or that the problem is caused by us and we just ignore the source of their pain. As if these people would stop fighting for their cause if we left the middle east. Half have been brainwashed as kids. many have no idea the reasons why they fight. they are islamic gang members essentially who like explosives. they blow their own mosques up for gods sake.they are irrational morons who will always have a cause to fight for because they think Palestine's capital should be in the middle of what is now israel which will obviously never happen and is such a ridiclous demand for peace. and didnt you know jews and americans are evil.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Ant10708

they are irrational morons who will always have a cause to fight for because they think Palestine's capital should be in the middle of what is now israel which will obviously never happen and is such a ridiclous demand for peace. and didnt you know jews and americans are evil.

1. I'm not defending their use of violence or terrorism. I am merely trying to explain it. By understanding terrorists and terrorism it allows us to better combat it. Just because you do not agree with something, or someone's methods does not mean that it is not a rational choice. Their goals can be, and often are, unrealistic, but the choice to use terrorism is rational.

2. You are generalizing the situation in the middle east horribly.

3. There is actually great debate going on about whether or not the guy who flew the plane into the irs building was a terrorist or not. Some argue that it was merely a murder suicide attempt because his life had gone to shit while others think it could be construed as a overall attack on the irs and the American system.

4. Terrorists argue many of the same things that you are arguing about them. Who is right? You, them, or is it relative? Once again I am not making an argument for either side, my posts, ignoring the ones for coolie, have just been attempting to explain terrorism and the mindset that leads people to thinking that it's ok to blow up a bunch of innocent people.

[Ant10708]

I also don't think someone is acting on their own indiviual accord when their plane ticket is financed by the group and the group trained him in explosives which is the case of the underwear bomber. They didnt just send him on his merry way. They trained the 'soldier' and financed his mission. Hes apart of the group I'd say or maybe I'm misinformed but i thought he was trained in yemen.

From wikipedia obviously not the most reliable source but im in a rush. "Yemeni officials said that he was in Yemen from early August 2009, overstayed his student visa (which was valid through September 21), and left Yemen on December 7 (flying to Ethiopia, and then two days later to Ghana)." "Yemeni officials have said that Abdulmutallab traveled to the mountainous Shabwah Province to meet with "Al Qaeda elements" before leaving Yemen."

The New York Times reported that "officials said the suspect told them he had obtained plastic explosives that were sewn into his underwear and a syringe from a bomb expert in Yemen associated with Al Qaeda."

from what i read it sounds like he was def sent on the mission by al qaeda or some group of islamic fanatics using the name al qaeda like they all seem to do nowadays. jesus i can't spell qaeda for the life of me.

According to a U.S. intelligence official, intercepts and other information point to connections between the two: "Some of the information ... comes from Abdulmutallab, who ... said that he met with al-Awlaki and senior al-Qaeda members during an extended trip to Yemen this year, and that the cleric was involved in some elements of planning or preparing the attack and in providing religious justification for it.

What a free thinking individual the underwear bomber was. Like I said all that came from wikipedia which might of been entered in by george w bush for all i know. But i remember reading very similar things from bbc news and other credible new sources when this was front page news.

[kahljorn]

Fly a plane into IRS building = terrorism. fly a plane into twin towers = terrorism. blow yourself up on a train, subway, whatever with the aim to kill as many civilians as possible is terrorism. You don't want to call it terrorism thats fine. As if the word to describe these people really matters. The fact is these people have no respect for human life and their idea of resistance fighting doesn't have much of a place in the modern world.

the word to describe it does matter because we punish people and make policies based on it.
Modern world? which one.

they are irrational morons who will always have a cause to fight for because they think Palestine's capital should be in the middle of what is now israel which will obviously never happen and is such a ridiclous demand for peace. and didnt you know jews and americans are evil.

well didn't some other countries give jews jerusalem as part of some peace treaty or something i dunno.

[Ant10708]

as far as i know obama doesn't use the war on terrorism term or rhetoric anymore or atleast not very often.


israel was formed in like the 50s. its time for the palestinians to accept reality and stop demanding shit that will never happen like having a capital in someone else's present day country. its internationally recognized as a country(yes the jewish people have settlements outside their terroritory but why would they ever stop now? when they removed most of the settlements it didnt bring them one step closer to peace). this isnt something i just made up. they shouldn't even worry about the jews with all the internal fighting that goes on. it they just focused on making their lives better for their kids and stop worrying about the destruction of israel maybe in the future they'd have better lives and a functioning country. like if palestinian became a country tomorrow it would still be a shithole and they would just be officially at war with israel opposed to fighting a guerrlla war. arafat was def fighting for his people and to improve his country thats why his wife lived in a mansion in a different country and he had millions. lets use kids the easiest to manipulate and turn them into suicide bombers before the age of 16. i can see why its so easy to side with the palestinians. i mean they have such a loving and tolerant culture.

modern world as in first world countries opposed to third world countries where they don't have modern technology, medicine, or infrasture. im glad this needs to be explained because you feel inclined to nitpick words. MODERN TO WHO.

one defintion of modern is =Of or relating to a recently developed or advanced style, technique, or technology: modern art; modern medicine.

well we have modern medicine and tecnology that they don't

another defintion = One who has modern ideas, standards, or beliefs.

I'd say since western countries are typically more secular, science friendly, and don't blow themselves up very often,oh and we don't treat our women like a sub species. oh and we have sewer systems.... i'd say we have more modern ideas, standards and beliefs in general.

i know theres so much to love and admire about the middle east. i mean who doesn't love the oppression of women in the 21st century?

all the middle eastern foriegners(three men from pakistan) i work with all agree that their home countries are pretty violent and intolerant and not very pratical compared to the life and thinking in america. and most say that the majority of the people back in their home country espeically the uneducated are very sympathic to al queda cause and are very brainwashed to hate jews, europeans and americans. one guy doesnt even want to go back to pakistan to visit his relatives because suicide bombings are becoming so common place there. we can keep lying to ourselves and say they don't have a problem in their culture but they do. its just humorous because the people who moved from pakistan that i work with have no problem labeling the bombers in pakistan or iraq as terrorists or the recent subway bombers as terrorists but for some reason whiney americans do. they are unhappy with our foriegn policy and with civilian casulaties but they are smart enough to recognize we arent the evil country we are made out to be and that we actually offer people who come to our country including muslims a greater oppurtunity at a good life compared to pakistan or most of the neighboring countries can. they also dont think suicide bombers are a legitimate form of resistance to oppression. they also like that they can criticize our govt without fear of retribution. but we are evil i tell them. go back to pakistan. thats where freedom thrives and oppurtunity awaits!

maybe im just more exposed to middle easterners being from ny but most dont like our foriegn policy but they also dont like how badly these fools are harming their religion's reputation in the world with their disregard for human life. and most would agree that theres def an indoctrination problem in the middle east and that their culture and countries are being overrun and held hostage by fanatics. crazy NY with their tolerance for everybody

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Ant10708

I also don't think someone is acting on their own indiviual accord when their plane ticket is financed by the group and the group trained him in explosives which is the case of the underwear bomber. They didnt just send him on his merry way. They trained the 'soldier' and financed his mission. Hes apart of the group I'd say or maybe I'm misinformed but i thought he was trained in yemen.
The New York Times reported that "officials said the suspect told them he had obtained plastic explosives that were sewn into his underwear and a syringe from a bomb expert in Yemen associated with Al Qaeda."
What a free thinking individual the underwear bomber was. Like I said all that came from wikipedia which might of been entered in by george w bush for all i know. But i remember reading very similar things from bbc news and other credible new sources when this was front page news.

Yes, he was trained, etc. I'm not aware of them actually telling him what flight to get on, where to put the explosives on his body, etc. They just provided him with material and training and condoned his actions. It wasn't thoroughly planned by a group, but more so by him alone, hence the reason that he had no idea how to properly mix the chemicals to cause a sufficient ignition.

[Ant10708]

Originally Posted by The Leader

Yes, he was trained, etc. I'm not aware of them actually telling him what flight to get on, where to put the explosives on his body, etc. They just provided him with material and training and condoned his actions. It wasn't thoroughly planned by a group, but more so by him alone, hence the reason that he had no idea how to properly mix the chemicals to cause a sufficient ignition.

They don't plan specifics for most of their acts of terror and many of the people only know very specfic parts of the overall plan. that because its easier to get caught if you plan everything out and tell everyone. They also have sleeper cells and they are part of the overall organization. Some of the 9/11 hijackers didnt even know how to properly fly a plane into the capital. i guess that wasnt thoroughly planned either and those terrorists planned it alone.bin laden didnt sign them up for flying school and buy their plane tickets for them. they did it themselves. that doesnt mean they werent part of a larger organization making this happen with training, money and spiritual support. or maybe you think they were lone wolves


"They just provided him with material and training and condoned his actions." That just sounds so dumb to me. Oh they only provided him with the bomb making material, training and told him he'd get 72 virgins in heaven if he did it but they in no way helped plan the attack lol. yup he was a free thinking individual no doubt about it.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Ant10708

They don't plan specifics for most of their acts of terror and many of the people only know very specfic parts of the overall plan. that because its easier to get caught if you plan everything out and tell everyone. They also have sleeper cells and they are part of the overall organization. Some of the 9/11 hijackers didnt even know how to properly fly a plane into the capital. i guess that wasnt thoroughly planned either and those terrorists planned it alone.bin laden didnt sign them up for flying school and buy their plane tickets for them. they did it themselves. that doesnt mean they werent part of a larger organization making this happen with training, money and spiritual support. or maybe you think they were lone wolves


"They just provided him with material and training and condoned his actions." That just sounds so dumb to me. Oh they only provided him with the bomb making material, training and told him he'd get 72 virgins in heaven if he did it but they in no way helped plan the attack lol. yup he was a free thinking individual no doubt about it.

Al Qaeda planned the september 11th attacks and sent those men to carry out the attacks. How could they be the ones to plan it if most of them didn't even know what the targets were? That's not what I'm talking about when I'm referring to individuals who carry out their own attacks. Have you ever actually studied terrorism or do you just catch the news occasionally? My understanding is that he planned the attack largely by himself, but let's say that Al Qaeda or another group did plan the underwear attack, there are still individuals who carry out terrorists attacks on their own. Timothy McVeigh, along with a pal, carried out a attack without the aid of any group, though they were affiliated with several white separatist movements.