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[Pentegarn]

I did read somewhere (I forget where exactly, I was doing something else at the time and thought I would research it later, I still have yet to) that the language of this health care bill does leave room for insurance to still deny health care to people, they just can't state that it is because of preexisting health problems. They can just make up some other silly reason for it instead becasue the wording only covers preexisting conditions.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dimnos

I would be ALL FUCKING FOR Obamacare if it was the end of big insurance.

I would be too but it's the anti-thesis of that. It actually makes the big, parasitical, for profit, insurance companies more powerful while bailing them out by forcing you to buy their "product". All they had to do was expand medicare.

We didn't even need this whole "single payer option", we already have a state run medical program. Medicaid / Medicare. Expand them and allow them to compete with the private insurance crooks.

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

No. I won't do it. Someone else take a turn.

I think you should re-watch the Dennis Kucinich interview. Obamacare is an insurance company bailout in disguise.

Originally Posted by Pentegarn

I did read somewhere (I forget where exactly, I was doing something else at the time and thought I would research it later, I still have yet to) that the language of this health care bill does leave room for insurance to still deny health care to people, they just can't state that it is because of preexisting health problems. They can just make up some other silly reason for it instead becasue the wording only covers preexisting conditions.

And don't forget the death panels, the cuts in medicare, and the compulsary mandate that makes you buy for-profit insurance products that (as you have just stated) can deny you care the minute your health issues affect their bottomline.

[Zhukov]

It's a little known fact that Obamacare is mainly and covertly designed for the training and funding of a "Escuadrón de la Muerte", a paramilitary group made up of pharmaceutical company CEOs with explicit aims to seek out and eliminate genuine health care reforms with extreme prejudice.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

I think you should re-watch the Dennis Kucinich interview. Obamacare is an insurance company bailout in disguise.

I think his post was focusing more on the whole death panel myth thing that Palin still clings to. And you, apparently. No one here has ever disagreed that this is just a bailout for insurance companies.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

I think his post was focusing more on the whole death panel myth thing that Palin still clings to. .

Death Panels are in the Obamacare bill, they aren't a myth.



More info

This law will force Americans to enroll in "qualified" health plans – that is, plans approved and controlled by the government. Americans will be invited to "choose" between "public" and "private" insurance plans, but will find little difference between them. "Public" or "private," they will all follow the same rules, dictated by the Department of Health and Human Services – the same agency, incidentally, which issued the report, titled "The High Concentration of U.S. Health Care Expenditures, 2006."

How will Obama cut costs? His June 13 radio speech gave some hints. Obama said his plan would provide "incentives" to doctors to "avoid unnecessary hospital stays, treatments and tests that drive up costs."
And what sort of treatment does Obama consider "unnecessary?" In an ABC News special June 24, he implied medical treatment might be wasted on elderly people with grave illnesses, citing his own grandmother as an example.
Dying of cancer, with less than a year to live, Obama's grandmother broke her hip. "[T]he question was, does she get hip replacement [COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]surgery[/font][/font][/color][/color]


, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" asked the president.

It turns out that Obama's grandmother did get the hip replacement – though he did not say so on ABC that night. Obama left the story about his grandmother unfinished, but went on to suggest that other people faced with such choices might do well to forget about surgery and settle instead for palliative or comfort care – treatment that helps you feel better while you are dying, but does not prolong your life.


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[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Death Panels are in the Obamacare bill, they aren't a myth.

No, they aren't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/pal...-death-panels/

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by The Leader

No, they aren't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/pal...-death-panels/

Fact check.org is run by the The Annenberg Foundation who Obama used to work for. A bunch of union busters.

This is not a battle against Palin and Obama. It's about rationing care to our elder and sickly citizens. All of which is allowed in the bill.

Denial of care, Rationing of care, state mandates, compulsory purchases of for profit insurance plans, cuttng of medicare benefits....

No one cares about Palin. She's an imbecile. Read the bill.

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Fact check.org is run by the The Annenberg Foundation who Obama used to work for. A bunch of union busters.

WorldNetDaily is totally unbiased, though, right? It's not like it's a ultra conservative site or anything.
I thought that you were opposed to the "talking heads" of Fox, CNN and other "news" companies. That's why I was a little confused when you linked from this site, one which Bill O'Reilly has written for. Surely you don't just take bits and pieces of things that fit in with your view point and use them without considering how reliable they are. :O

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Read the bill.

There's nothing in there about death panels. If by death panels you mean insurance companies can deny care, well, they can do that now so don't you think calling such a thing a "death panel" just because there's some pointless bill now is a little asinine?