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Old Apr 22nd, 2010, 04:47 PM       
I would be ALL FUCKING FOR Obamacare if it was the end of big insurance.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 05:44 AM       
I did read somewhere (I forget where exactly, I was doing something else at the time and thought I would research it later, I still have yet to) that the language of this health care bill does leave room for insurance to still deny health care to people, they just can't state that it is because of preexisting health problems. They can just make up some other silly reason for it instead becasue the wording only covers preexisting conditions.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 10:12 AM       
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I would be ALL FUCKING FOR Obamacare if it was the end of big insurance.
I would be too but it's the anti-thesis of that. It actually makes the big, parasitical, for profit, insurance companies more powerful while bailing them out by forcing you to buy their "product". All they had to do was expand medicare.

We didn't even need this whole "single payer option", we already have a state run medical program. Medicaid / Medicare. Expand them and allow them to compete with the private insurance crooks.

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I think you should re-watch the Dennis Kucinich interview. Obamacare is an insurance company bailout in disguise.

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I did read somewhere (I forget where exactly, I was doing something else at the time and thought I would research it later, I still have yet to) that the language of this health care bill does leave room for insurance to still deny health care to people, they just can't state that it is because of preexisting health problems. They can just make up some other silly reason for it instead becasue the wording only covers preexisting conditions.
And don't forget the death panels, the cuts in medicare, and the compulsary mandate that makes you buy for-profit insurance products that (as you have just stated) can deny you care the minute your health issues affect their bottomline.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 10:30 AM       
It's a little known fact that Obamacare is mainly and covertly designed for the training and funding of a "Escuadrón de la Muerte", a paramilitary group made up of pharmaceutical company CEOs with explicit aims to seek out and eliminate genuine health care reforms with extreme prejudice.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 11:00 AM       
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I think you should re-watch the Dennis Kucinich interview. Obamacare is an insurance company bailout in disguise.
I think his post was focusing more on the whole death panel myth thing that Palin still clings to. And you, apparently. No one here has ever disagreed that this is just a bailout for insurance companies.
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I think his post was focusing more on the whole death panel myth thing that Palin still clings to. .
Death Panels are in the Obamacare bill, they aren't a myth.



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This law will force Americans to enroll in "qualified" health plans – that is, plans approved and controlled by the government. Americans will be invited to "choose" between "public" and "private" insurance plans, but will find little difference between them. "Public" or "private," they will all follow the same rules, dictated by the Department of Health and Human Services – the same agency, incidentally, which issued the report, titled "The High Concentration of U.S. Health Care Expenditures, 2006."
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How will Obama cut costs? His June 13 radio speech gave some hints. Obama said his plan would provide "incentives" to doctors to "avoid unnecessary hospital stays, treatments and tests that drive up costs."
And what sort of treatment does Obama consider "unnecessary?" In an ABC News special June 24, he implied medical treatment might be wasted on elderly people with grave illnesses, citing his own grandmother as an example.
Dying of cancer, with less than a year to live, Obama's grandmother broke her hip. "[T]he question was, does she get hip replacement [COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]surgery[/font][/font][/color][/color]


, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" asked the president.

It turns out that Obama's grandmother did get the hip replacement – though he did not say so on ABC that night. Obama left the story about his grandmother unfinished, but went on to suggest that other people faced with such choices might do well to forget about surgery and settle instead for palliative or comfort care – treatment that helps you feel better while you are dying, but does not prolong your life.


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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 03:46 PM       
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Death Panels are in the Obamacare bill, they aren't a myth.
No, they aren't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/pal...-death-panels/
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 10:54 AM       
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 11:07 AM       
How did a thread discussing an explosion in a Moscow Metro station beget a debate on the merits and pitfalls of the new healthcare legislation?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 11:23 AM       
Moscow Russia GULAG Obamacare.


I, for one, have been trying to keep this thread serious and on track.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 11:30 AM       
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 03:29 PM       
Dude. Make another thread already.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 03:57 PM       
Dont you know factcheck is run by a bunch of Jews who want the insurance companies to make as much money as possible before they scam them for all they are worth?!

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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 04:25 PM       
I FUCKING KNEW IT!!!!
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 04:31 PM       
Just because its the only thing this thread is lacking...

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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 07:47 PM       
moustached cars will smuggly sit in their comfortable death panel chairs, comfortably passing down death on sick america.

does that car look uncomfortable with passing down death? Just look into his statesman's moustache and tell me that.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2010, 08:35 PM       
CARSTACHE!!! FUCK YEAH!!!!

Coolie, go post in a thread about healthcare! I think I may even have made one, oh so many days ago.

HINT: Look for the thread about a "tea party". I think we're currently discussing Pekoe and Darjeeling, though.
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Old Apr 24th, 2010, 02:59 AM       
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Coolie, go post in a thread about healthcare! I think I may even have made one, oh so many days ago.

HINT: Look for the thread about a "tea party". I think we're currently discussing Pekoe and Darjeeling, though.
I know there is one where some canuck was bitching how we are the only country in the free world without free healthcare.
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Yeah, the USA isn't part of the "free world".
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Old Apr 26th, 2010, 02:53 AM       
i think the whole idea of talking about "death panels" is a circumstantial ad hominem or something
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Old Apr 26th, 2010, 04:58 AM       
There is No solution with killing innocent people , Innocent Lives are lost. That is the sad part of it. and I’m curious and a little bit scared to see how the Russian government will respond to this attack.
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